Friend racially abused on the bus :(

Claree__x

Marker wrote: »

I have yet to hear where the drunk guy made racial remarks. For all those who say he was please, I must be being stupid ... point it out?!

The victim in this case was a 15 year old muslim girl, he made the following comments;

"I'd get rid of these lot, deport the lot of them"...Followed by a lot of obscenities, the p word (start of a country), black this and that.

He then launches a personal attack, about S saying that her sort think they are so pretty and pure, yeah right she'd knock off your (text removed by Forum Team) doorbell referring to the way she is dressed and the fact her hair is covered by a headscarf.

What part of that is not racist? I presume the obscentities that are reffered to made the context of the word black such that it wasn't a generalisation or compliment.

If he had made comments about her hairstyle or her general attitude then I agree, to call it racist might be a stretch - but this is clean cut imo.

And just for you - the only one seemingly that doesn't understand what racist means.
Definition;
1. The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as
2. Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

Marker_2

clemmatis wrote: »

From the OP, relevant words bolded to help you out:

Thank you for replying clearly highlighting the racism. We're a good few pages into this thread and whilst I did read the OP believe it or not, it's format made it a rather difficult read.

Marker_2

Marker wrote: »

[STRIKE]I have yet to hear where the drunk guy made racial remarks. For all those who say he was please, I must be being stupid ... point it out?![/STRIKE]
I realise I was incorrect and the drunk guy did infact make racial remarks, however I will keep the below as a reminder to those who do abuse the word racist and bully.

I have a feeling people don't understand what the word racist means. Just because the 'victim' is of a different skin colour it doesn't mean that any attack on them is racist or racially motivated.

Words like racist and bully are used far too much, and quite often takes away from those who ARE racially abused or bullied.

And before anyone states that I condone what the drunk guy did (I'm sure some are about to post such nonsence) I certainly do not. If he was sober and stating the nonsence he did I would probably approach it a different way, but because he was drunk, I believe confronting him would have been a pointless exercise. YOU cannot reason with a drunk person. More so one that is sitting on buses during the day p3ssed out of his brain fgs!

I can't take anyway serious who's racist rant involves paki this and paki that (as long as the rant doesn't get physical). Indian people being called a paki is offensive to them, but not because of the racial undertone.

I do wonder though why people use the word paki as a racist remark. It is clearly short for Pakistan, and people don't generally shorten Britain to Brits (or associate it) with being racist. But to use the word on an Indian shows how ill educated some people are. Just saying ...

pops5588

OP, just wanted to say that I know how you and your friend feel on the bystander apathy front.

I had something happen to me (I won't go into it in detail, this is your thread and it wasn't exactly the same as my "situation" was motivated by my gender as opposed to my race) in the middle of broad daylight on a busy train station and nobody did a thing. I made eye-contact with people, even asked them to help and people either averted their gaze or walked away.

It absolutely shook me to the core that I couldn't feel safe surrounded by other human beings. I became terrified everywhere. I would really recommend talking to Victim Support if you or your friend are struggling with the fallout of it, they were great and really helped me through the immediate "shock" period.

I sincerely hope that you don't feel guilty or aren't shouldering the burden of this situation. It was very much the bus driver's responsibility to make sure that if anyone on the vehicle feels threatened or intimidated that the perpetrator is removed and/or reported.

clemmatis

Marker wrote: »

I can't take anyway serious who's racist rant involves paki this and paki that (as long as the rant doesn't get physical). Indian people being called a paki is offensive to them, but not because of the racial undertone.

He also of course said black.

I do wonder though why people use the word paki as a racist remark. It is clearly short for Pakistan, and people don't generally shorten Britain to Brits (or associate it) with being racist. But to use the word on an Indian shows how ill educated some people are. Just saying ...

Well...

Paki acquired offensive connotations in the 1960s when used by British tabloids to refer to subjects of former colony states in a derogatory and racist manner. In modern British usage "Paki" is typically a derogatory label used for all South Asians, including Indians, Afghans and Bangladeshis. To a lesser extent, it has also been applied to Arabs and others perceived to resemble South Asians. During the 60's many emigrants were also dubbed as "black" to further segregate them from the white community. Some would say such a division still exists in parts of England.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Paki

2. Paki.

A racist term that is often applied to people of Pakistani or South Asian descent. Its origins are commonly traced back to about 30 years ago, when British hooligans used the term Paki-bashing to refer to the gang beating of ethnic minorities.


Today, it is commonly used by ethnocentric and insensitive white people who either:

a) cannot tolerate 3rd world immigration even though their forefathers colonized the !!!! out of Asia, Africa and the Americas;
b) want to make fun of immigrants who have left their homelands to seek a better living in the country that prospered from !!!!ing up and stealing resources from said homelands;
c) are too stupid to realize that many immigrants do the menial jobs they themselves would hate to do;

...
Don't be fooled by the narrow-minded xenophobes who have attempted to explain this term - calling a brown person a Paki is just as derogatory as calling a black person a n*****.
"Go back to your country, Paki."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=paki

poet123

If this was a real situation (and it doesn't really matter for the purposes of debate) then I would hope that others would stand up and be counted.

I have no doubt that the chap was expressing views he holds all the time but because he was drunk he lost his inhibitions and decided to shout them out. I think timing has a lot to do with this too, like it or not there is a current groundswell of opinion against a particular community because of the murder of the soldier, in some places feelings will run higher than others. Add drink into the mix and you get a volatile situation.

I have no doubt that others would have intervened if his verbal attack had looked like it was spilling over into a physical attack. There may have been those on bus who were watching the situation closely and wondering what the best course of action was. I have waded into fights between kids in the streets when one party has clearly been younger or weaker or getting the worst of it. I do think that the paraphrase of the old adage "All it takes for evil to prosper etc" is very true, but sometimes acting rashly can escalate the situation.

The idea that 15 year olds should not be able to travel on public transport safely is ridiculous and if we bow to that we let "them" (those who would restrict our liberties) win. This lesser known quote also sums it up:
When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.

So from an academic point of view rather than a view on a specific instance (as I still have my doubts about the voracity of the OP, how many 15 year olds would say "racist spiel"?) I think we should all try to stand up and be counted if we find ourselves in such a situation,we should do this by whatever means we think will escalate the problem least.

little-spender

But from what we are seeing certain communities are actively allowing this to happen, Bradford, Leeds for example, where woman are getting harassment for wearing western clothing It is being directed at white women by gangs of muslem men.

ALL communities have to have the same approach taken by the police when there is racist goings on,

This seems(if the OP is to be believed) a isolated one man incident, Luckily they stay in a Racially tolerant area or these areas would be turning into little Bradfords where there would be a lot more racial tensions.

balletshoes

dktreesea wrote: »

It's not race that determines whether people want to integrate into our society.
If you are part of a group that chooses to settle in the UK but at the same time describes the local population in derogatory terms and doesn't want to mix with them, then it is likely that there will be some people, (even if they have to be drunk before they have the courage to make their feelings known in public) who will take exception to that group as a whole and take it out on whichever individuals they perceive to be from that group.

seriously dktreesea, what the heck is wrong with you? Talk about tarring everyone with the same brush! So in your warped world, I guess all us "white" Brits are drunken justifiably bigoted morons?

I'm very glad the Britain you describe is not the Britain I see and live in every day.

little-spender

Is this what you really like about Britain.......I certainly don't.


Grooming by Asian men against white girls....One girl passed round 90 men.

http://news.sky.com/story/1101483/grooming-report-mps-say-asian-gangs-do-exist

Men jailed for failed Bomb plot on British nationals

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22841573

The man accused of the killing of Lee Rigby , Rant at rally to incite youngsters,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2333039/Woolwich-terror-suspect-Michael-Adebolajos-rant-rally-incite-youngsters.ht

Well, no words can describe this one.........................We will only respect the law of the land if it is Muslem/Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KtJKNgO_ys

poet123

Perhaps niave, but it is my firm belief that in any community, colour or creed there are far more good people than bad. It is just that those who are bad get more publicity.