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  • Saturnalia
    Saturnalia Posts: 2,051 Forumite
    marisco wrote: »
    They are going from one form of tax payer funded life to another. I doubt the likes of Mick will be bothered about being banged up. There will be little the prison service can do to rehabilitate a man like him. All it will achieve is to bring him into contact with some very undesirable people, making him even more of a nasty individual than he already is. Assuming that is humanly possible!

    I don't know, from what you hear, those who harm children don't get an easy ride in prison. Even the worst scum in the jail, for whom all bets are off when it comes to violence against adults, hate child killers.

    It'll be even worse for Mairead, she'll be beside other mothers who are missing their own children desperately while inside. Maybe some of those women will be in jail for taking retribution against people who have harmed their kids.

    They'll be living in fear 24/7 and damn right too.
    Public appearances now involve clothing. Sorry, it's part of my bail conditions.
  • Ballabriggs
    Ballabriggs Posts: 103 Forumite
    edited 3 April 2013 at 3:04PM
    Janepig wrote: »
    I wasn't and I don't. :D

    There seem to be a number of people though, on here and elsewhere who seem to believe that women, particularly mothers, are incapable of evil, and who will try all ways to find an excuse for their behaviour.

    Jx

    I absolutely agree Janepig, it is society's default position to find it hard to believe that any mother could be involved in abusing their own children, let alone be instrumental in causing their deaths. I think mainly because its seems counter intuitive to the mothering instinct.There are numerous cases where this has proved to be a wrong assumption: Susan Smith , Rosemary West, Victoria Climbie's aunt, Diane Downs, Andrea Yates and so on.

    Clearly Mick Philpott was a manipulative and emotionally controlling individual who preyed on weak and vulnerable women, but his 17 year old girlfriend had the courage to leave him, even though she suffered horrific consequences and Lisa had the courage to leave him for the sake of her kids. They both had the courage to get out. Mairida put her relationship with Philpott before the welfare of her children and that is the bottom line. There is no excuse for this, DV or not.

    Btw before anyone jumps on me saying I don't know how bad DV is, we have had DV happen in our family which involved serious physical violence not just emotional control. That person had the courage to take the kids and get out. It wasn't easy by any means and in those days there wasn't any of the support available today - financial or emotional. A woman, or man in fact, can chose to stay whether it be through fear or control or a complete lack of self esteem and if is only their life they are effecting then as an adult its their choice; when kids are involved it is a different matter. They have a legal and moral obligation to get those kids into a safe environment or they are enabling the abuse.
  • red_devil
    red_devil Posts: 10,793 Forumite
    it didnt suprise me to hear he had been inside before!

    vile couple and their neighbour thank god they didnt get away with it!
    :footie:
  • Just heard on the news that the mum was watching Panarama last night from her cell. She wasn't happy about it.
  • marisco_2
    marisco_2 Posts: 4,261 Forumite
    She wasn't happy about it.

    Id love to know which bits she didn't agree with. Seemed to show it as it was to me. Maybe that was her problem, facing a big dose of reality.
    The best day of your life is the one on which you decide your life is your own, no apologies or excuses. No one to lean on, rely on or blame. The gift is yours - it is an amazing journey - and you alone are responsible for the quality of it. This is the day your life really begins.
  • Errata
    Errata Posts: 38,230 Forumite
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    Just heard on the news that the mum was watching Panarama last night from her cell. She wasn't happy about it.
    eh? How does 'the news' know that?
    .................:)....I'm smiling because I have no idea what's going on ...:)
  • dizziblonde
    dizziblonde Posts: 4,276 Forumite
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    People who can't understand how screwed your perceptions can get have never been in an abusive relationship. I had what people would deem to be a good support network - yet still took a few years and hitting a point beyond what people would generally consider acceptable in terms of how I was treated before I managed to get the strength up to leave. If you've got kids to factor into the equation in terms of working out the logistics of leaving, and if you've been squashed down for year after year after year, plus (and yes I'm probably being judgemental on this one) if you're not the sharpest pencil in the box to start with - I can understand how you'd get to that situation of being utterly trapped... it really does sap all your confidence and knowledge of yourself to that level. It's not a trap I ever thought I'd end up in - heck I'm a very intelligent, confident (or able to appear so) individual and at the time was in a good professional career... and I ended up in that sort of situation myself (emotional - not physical abuse by and large apart from the odd incident - but emotional abuse is quite possibly worse in a way to prove and extricate yourself from). I don't think she was blameless - and I think she'll be utterly hung out to dry in jail and vilified completely by the media, probably more so than him - but I can understand how someone with no self esteem or confidence got into that kind of destructive relationship and into what's emerging more and more only too well.

    As for the kids' homelife... I've worked in some of the roughest areas in Derby (including the one in question - among a range of schools which I obviously won't name) and sadly, very little of it surprises me considering lots of what I've heard and seen of the home lives of some of the kids. Utterly heartbreaking when you see these lovely kids coming in in a right state and the tales they tell with the attitude that this is completely normal for them - but still very widespread.
    Little miracle born April 2012, 33 weeks gestation and a little toughie!
  • Janepig
    Janepig Posts: 16,780 Forumite
    People who can't understand how screwed your perceptions can get have never been in an abusive relationship. I had what people would deem to be a good support network - yet still took a few years and hitting a point beyond what people would generally consider acceptable in terms of how I was treated before I managed to get the strength up to leave. If you've got kids to factor into the equation in terms of working out the logistics of leaving, and if you've been squashed down for year after year after year, plus (and yes I'm probably being judgemental on this one) if you're not the sharpest pencil in the box to start with - I can understand how you'd get to that situation of being utterly trapped... it really does sap all your confidence and knowledge of yourself to that level. It's not a trap I ever thought I'd end up in - heck I'm a very intelligent, confident (or able to appear so) individual and at the time was in a good professional career... and I ended up in that sort of situation myself (emotional - not physical abuse by and large apart from the odd incident - but emotional abuse is quite possibly worse in a way to prove and extricate yourself from). I don't think she was blameless - and I think she'll be utterly hung out to dry in jail and vilified completely by the media, probably more so than him - but I can understand how someone with no self esteem or confidence got into that kind of destructive relationship and into what's emerging more and more only too well.

    As for the kids' homelife... I've worked in some of the roughest areas in Derby (including the one in question - among a range of schools which I obviously won't name) and sadly, very little of it surprises me considering lots of what I've heard and seen of the home lives of some of the kids. Utterly heartbreaking when you see these lovely kids coming in in a right state and the tales they tell with the attitude that this is completely normal for them - but still very widespread.

    I can understand how she got into that sort of a relationship with Mick Philpott, I can see how he manipulated her (and the mistress) and I can imagine what went on behind closed doors (although as in most DV cases I can't for the life of me see what the hell she or any other woman saw in him!!). I said in one of my earlier posts before (I think) the verdict, that her self esteem must have been rock bottom. The relationship she was in before Mick Philpott, the fella shaved her hair off - one of my colleagues did a report on someone fairly recently who had cut some of his girlfriend's hair off and it was generally agreed that it is one of the most psychologically abusive things you can do in terms of DV/DA. She seems to be someone who gravitates towards these sort of abusive men.

    I can even imagine how she might well have been persuaded to go along with this hair brained scheme and along with Mick Philpott and the neighbour been too god damn thick and ignorant to see that it was always doomed to fail. However, none of it, not one bit, explains her actions in the aftermath of it all. That's the bit that I, and I suspect many others, really struggle to comprehend.

    Jx
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  • Cooper18
    Cooper18 Posts: 286 Forumite
    FatVonD wrote: »
    Do you mean the Panorama one that was on at around 10.30pm or was there another earlier in the day?

    Sorry, my bad - it was channel 5. Philpott House Fire - The Truth.
  • Cooper18
    Cooper18 Posts: 286 Forumite
    I had what people would deem to be a good support network - yet still took a few years and hitting a point beyond what people would generally consider acceptable in terms of how I was treated before I managed to get the strength up to leave. If you've got kids to factor into the equation in terms of working out the logistics of leaving, and if you've been squashed down for year after year after year, plus (and yes I'm probably being judgemental on this one) if you're not the sharpest pencil in the box to start with - I can understand how you'd get to that situation of being utterly trapped... it really does sap all your confidence and knowledge of yourself to that level. It's not a trap I ever thought I'd end up in - heck I'm a very intelligent, confident (or able to appear so) individual and at the time was in a good professional career... and I ended up in that sort of situation myself (emotional - not physical abuse by and large apart from the odd incident - but emotional abuse is quite possibly worse in a way to prove and extricate yourself from).

    Dizz, please don't take this the wrong way, and I'm not being flippant (I've already admitted ignorance on the whole women/DV thing) - do you think that being downtrodden is one thing but conspiring to set your house on fire with 6 of your children inside is something else entirely? A woman may be lacking in intellect, and under some sort of spell or control - but pouring petrol into your hall while your kids are upstairs? Do women in a DV situation stop caring about their kids? I genuinely can't understand the choices Mairead made, as I said I think she needs hanging - but I'd be open to mitigation in her case more than Micks.
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