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  • sassyblue
    sassyblue Posts: 3,793 Forumite
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    marisco wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see what sentences they recieve. When is this going to take place? I thought it was mentioned on the news earlier that it would be this afternoon.

    It got put back to tomorrow afternoon, the judge needed more time to 'reflect' l think the word was.


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  • marisco_2
    marisco_2 Posts: 4,261 Forumite
    Cooper18 wrote: »
    Seriously?! They weren't there? :(

    God, it gets worse. I'd be there day and night. And yet their lawyers were saying what good parents they were. They have lower standards of parenting than me evidently.

    I believe it was only the aunts that were beside the boys bedside. Truly horrendous. Any decent parent would not leave their childs side when they were in hospital. I have slept in a chair lent on a bed before now when my youngest was rushed into hospital one night. Wild dogs could not have dragged me away.

    I think it was too much for them to face what they had done. Though that train of thought suggests they have a conscience which I dont really believe either of them do.
    The best day of your life is the one on which you decide your life is your own, no apologies or excuses. No one to lean on, rely on or blame. The gift is yours - it is an amazing journey - and you alone are responsible for the quality of it. This is the day your life really begins.
  • Ballabriggs
    Ballabriggs Posts: 103 Forumite
    Cooper18 - Working on the basis that there is no mandatory sentence for manslaughter and it can be anything up to a life sentence, my guess would be life sentence for both of them, with the possibility of release in 10 years. I think it will be the same for both of them.

    I would argue this on the basis that in terms of negligence, both had the most serious duty of care responsibility of all - that of a parent. I think the judge will go for the max as a deterrent punishment
  • Cooper18
    Cooper18 Posts: 286 Forumite
    Cooper18 - Working on the basis that there is no mandatory sentence for manslaughter and it can be anything up to a life sentence, my guess would be life sentence for both of them, with the possibility of release in 10 years. I think it will be the same for both of them.

    I would argue this on the basis that in terms of negligence, both had the most serious duty of care responsibility of all - that of a parent. I think the judge will go for the max as a deterrent punishment

    We can only hope. Do they get sentenced 6 times over or will the sentences be concurrent? Or is that decided tomorrow as well? It's hard to believe they could both be out in ten years - when they are both still capable of creating more babies....:(
  • Cooper18
    Cooper18 Posts: 286 Forumite
    marisco wrote: »
    I believe it was only the aunts that were beside the boys bedside. Truly horrendous. Any decent parent would not leave their childs side when they were in hospital. I have slept in a chair lent on a bed before now when my youngest was rushed into hospital one night. Wild dogs could not have dragged me away.

    I think it was too much for them to face what they had done. Though that train of thought suggests they have a conscience which I dont really believe either of them do.

    I don't know whether to feel sad that that young lad didn't have his mum and dad with him at the end. He wouldn't have known what they did. But they are no kind of parents anyway, maybe it's best he had someone there who actually loved him, and not that pair of selfish scumbags.
  • Ballabriggs
    Ballabriggs Posts: 103 Forumite
    edited 3 April 2013 at 10:24PM
    I say 'possibility of release' because they would have to convince the system that they are rehabilitated and take full responsibility for their crimes, which I can't see Philpott doing. Mairead maybe, but not him. I think he'll go like Bronson, institutionalised and anti social.

    I hope I'm wrong about the 10 year point but it seems to be a bit of a pattern with other cases, or in some cases even less.

    I think there is a sentence for each of the children, because each one is an individual offence. It will be interesting to see if the sentences run concurrently or consecutively.
  • Errata
    Errata Posts: 38,230 Forumite
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    A sentence for manslaughter can be up to life imprisonment. As the accused pleaded not guilty and have been convicted of causing the deaths of six children, and none of them appear to have expressed remorse - all things which will go against them, I wouldn't be surprised if all three are sentenced to life imprisonment.
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  • Janepig
    Janepig Posts: 16,780 Forumite
    marisco wrote: »
    I believe it was only the aunts that were beside the boys bedside. Truly horrendous. Any decent parent would not leave their childs side when they were in hospital. I have slept in a chair lent on a bed before now when my youngest was rushed into hospital one night. Wild dogs could not have dragged me away.

    I think it was too much for them to face what they had done. Though that train of thought suggests they have a conscience which I dont really believe either of them do.

    I think one of Mairaid's sisters said on the Panorama programme that she'd visited the boy at his bedside but that her other sister and mother stayed with him. She said that Mick and Mairaid were discussing where to order chinese takeaway from while her son lay dying, and complaining that the hospital weren't providing food for them as well as the room they'd been given.
    I think there is a sentence for each of the children, because each one is an individual offence. It will be interesting to see if the sentences run concurrently or consecutively.

    It'll be concurrent I should imagine. These things usually are. And unless they are given life they they will be released either on parole or at the end of whatever sentence they're given if they don't convince the parole board to release them.

    It's not often something I read takes my breath away, having seen and heard most things and being fairly unshockable, however I read today that Mairaed was supposedly planning on wearing something "unsuitable" to the funeral (when she clearly thought she was still going) and was told, by a friend I think, that she mustn't wear whatever it was, so she said that she would wear it instead to the "after party". After party??? That someone could be so brainless, ignorant, insensitive or all of those to describe the wake following the funeral of her six children as an after party. <wrings hands>

    Jx
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  • islandgirl8
    islandgirl8 Posts: 136 Forumite
    Janepig wrote: »
    It's not often something I read takes my breath away, having seen and heard most things and being fairly unshockable, however I read today that Mairaed was supposedly planning on wearing something "unsuitable" to the funeral (when she clearly thought she was still going) and was told, by a friend I think, that she mustn't wear whatever it was, so she said that she would wear it instead to the "after party". After party??? That someone could be so brainless, ignorant, insensitive or all of those to describe the wake following the funeral of her six children as an after party. <wrings hands>

    Jx

    Heartbreaking that there are people out there like this.
  • LondonDiva
    LondonDiva Posts: 3,011 Forumite
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    Where was the social services in all this? I don't want to jump on the bandwagon of blame the govt. but given that at one point there were 11 kids, two women and mick living in the house and they were going on national tv bragging about it, surely it must have raised some alarm bells.
    What ground did social services have for doing anything? From what I can see/have read, the children were in school, clean etc - the teachers who saw them day to day (and other relatives) did not have any immediate concerns.

    Given this, it's a bit much to lay blame on social services after the incident - particularly as they would likely have faced criticism for 'judging' alternative lifestyles if there had been no concerns raised.
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