Anybody else watching this?

marisco_2

coolcait wrote: »

I think Philpott also has enough arrogance, in addition to his stupidity, to believe that his plan would work - his children would be rescued, he would be depicted as the loving and heroic father, his ex would be accused of starting the fire, and vilified for it, Mick would get his kids back.

I agree with this. I think he felt invincible. He had a very callous, I will live my life my way approach with an 'if you dont like it tough' attitude. It was like he felt that the same values, morals and ways of leading your life didn't apply to him in any way.

The rest of us are with it and aware enough to know that, by starting a fire in the way they did it would take hold very quickly and it would be impossible to rescue the children. Maybe he felt the same rules didn't apply to him in this case too and that he would be able to rescue them and appear a hero.

Errata

Sociopaths never believe rules are for them to abide by.

marisco_2

Cooper18 wrote: »

Taken on board.

But - like someone said earlier - if Mairead was just a bit dim, and a bit under the control of an abuser why didn't she confess sooner, admit what she did, go to the kids bedside etc etc? Her actions AFTER the fire were just self serving. And that's too much a trait of someone in control of their life rather than someone being controlled. Jmho.

I agree with you. Those are the actions of someone cold, calculating and in control. Not living in fear, unable to think for herself.

coolcait

marisco wrote: »

The rest of us are with it and aware enough to know that, by starting a fire in the way they did it would take hold very quickly and it would be impossible to rescue the children. .

I wish I could have your confidence that everyone else in the country - in the world - has that level of awareness about how quickly a fire can take hold, and spread, and become out of control. Even one which isn't started deliberately.

Not to mention fumes, smoke etc.

I'm afraid that a lot of 'the rest of us' really don't grasp that.

If anything good can come out of this horrific tragedy, maybe a greater awareness of the realities of fire would be something.

Cooper18

coolcait wrote: »

I wish I could have your confidence that everyone else in the country - in the world - has that level of awareness about how quickly a fire can take hold, and spread, and become out of control. Even one which isn't started deliberately.

Not to mention fumes, smoke etc.

I'm afraid that a lot of 'the rest of us' really don't grasp that.

If anything good can come out of this horrific tragedy, maybe a greater awareness of the realities of fire would be something.

I'm with Cool on that point - people are dumb. How many times have we seen whole families killed in house fires - and no smoke alarm present? Or fires starting because people decide they want chips from a pan of boiling lava at 2am when they've had 24 pints? Or a patient deciding they want a fag and to hell with the oxygen mask they're wearing? No one ever seems to learn, either that or no one believes its going to happen to them.

*max*

I'm watching it now. Disgusting excuse for a man. I can't even grasp how any woman would want THAT near them, nevermind producing kids with him. It makes my skin crawl.

marisco_2

coolcait wrote: »

I wish I could have your confidence that everyone else in the country - in the world - has that level of awareness about how quickly a fire can take hold, and spread, and become out of control. Even one which isn't started deliberately.

Not to mention fumes, smoke etc.

I'm afraid that a lot of 'the rest of us' really don't grasp that.

If anything good can come out of this horrific tragedy, maybe a greater awareness of the realities of fire would be something.

Fair point

Cooper18

*max* wrote: »

I'm watching it now. Disgusting excuse for a man. I can't even grasp how any woman would want THAT near them, nevermind producing kids with him. It makes my skin crawl.

I know I shouldn't laugh, but I just did. Just when I think I might understand women I watch a program like this and wonder what on earth they saw in him. Ladies, you remain a mystery to me.

marisco_2

Cooper18 wrote: »

I know I shouldn't laugh, but I just did. Just when I think I might understand women I watch a program like this and wonder what on earth they saw in him. Ladies, you remain a mystery to me.

It must have been the luxurious surroundings of the rocking caravan that lured them in

*shudder*

coolcait

Cooper18 wrote: »

Taken on board.

But - like someone said earlier - if Mairead was just a bit dim, and a bit under the control of an abuser why didn't she confess sooner, admit what she did, go to the kids bedside etc etc? Her actions AFTER the fire were just self serving. And that's too much a trait of someone in control of their life rather than someone being controlled. Jmho.

There's no need to jmho . It's an acronym which sums up my posts on the topic too. And, arguably, the posts of everyone else.

You see a failure to confess as being self-serving. It could be - but that's not the only possibility.

I've already given another option for her silence at that time.

'Being controlled' could be yet another explanation. If she has been controlled throughout her entire relationship with Philpott - and evidence in the trial suggested that she was still being controlled by him after the fire, when she 'performed a sex act' on the co-accused - then a subservient silence doesn't seem that far beyond the bounds of possibility.

As for being by Duwyane's bedside, or not, I distinctly remember reporting at the time saying that the police had been unable to interview the Philpott's, as they were by their son's bedside.

I also remember thinking that 'being by their son's bedside' could be a very good way to avoid questioning...

Of course, newspaper reports, like TV documentaries, are only as accurate as the information they receive - even before spin and editing come in.

The only thing I am sure about in this case (or any other) is that no one can ever truly know what is/was going on in the heads of the perpetrators, or those who are sharing their 'recollections' of events.