Anybody else watching this?

marisco_2

Very wise words BugglyB, you have hit the nail on the head with both your posts.

margaretclare

BugglyB wrote: »

I'm not talking specifically about this case, but many many victims of serious domestic violence have loving families and colleagues and friends who are desperate to help them.

The first thing a man like Mick Philpott will do when he gets a new girlfriend is subtly undermine those relationships and isolate her. It will start with 'I have tried to be nice but your sisters just don't like me' and end up being 'if you speak to them again I'll kill you'.

Yes, this is true. It's all part of his exercise of control - he must isolate his victim first. Then the threats, and also the domination. The women he gets hold of have been damaged in an earlier life and have little or no self-esteem. They think 'this is the best I can do'.

nonnatus

Widdecombe was just discussing what she thought of "IT" on Jeremy Vine Prog (Radio 2)

Chilling.

Janepig

BugglyB wrote: »

I'm not talking specifically about this case, but many many victims of serious domestic violence have loving families and colleagues and friends who are desperate to help them.

The first thing a man like Mick Philpott will do when he gets a new girlfriend is subtly undermine those relationships and isolate her. It will start with 'I have tried to be nice but your sisters just don't like me' and end up being 'if you speak to them again I'll kill you'.

I'm well aware of the nature of domestic violence and many of the complex issues therein. However, I did have an impression earlier on in the trial that Mairaed was more isolated than it appears she really was. I assumed she had no family or support to speak of but she clearly did, regardless of Mick's influence. And I doubt very much that there are many victims of DV that would have allowed what happened to happen, although someone else used a very good world to describe the pair of them, thinking that they would get away with it. Thick.

Jx

BugglyB

Janepig wrote: »

I'm well aware of the nature of domestic violence and many of the complex issues therein. However, I did have an impression earlier on in the trial that Mairaed was more isolated than it appears she really was. I assumed she had no family or support to speak of but she clearly did, regardless of Mick's influence. And I doubt very much that there are many victims of DV that would have allowed what happened to happen, although someone else used a very good world to describe the pair of them, thinking that they would get away with it. Thick.

Jx

Sorry it wasnt my intention to insult you.

Please don't extrapolate from my post that I mean that what she did was excusable.

sassyblue

Janepig wrote: »

I assumed she had no family or support to speak of but she clearly did, regardless of Mick's influence. And I doubt very much that there are many victims of DV that would have allowed what happened to happen, although someone else used a very good world to describe the pair of them, thinking that they would get away with it. Thick.

Jx

Sorry l disagree, l've seen my sister become alienated from us all because of her control freak husband, the victims don't always have to have no-one to fall back on, they are prevented from being in touch with their families because of men like Philpott.

I agree there aren't many DV victims who would allow that to happen, there were other factors involved with the Philpotts, like you say not very clever amongst others.

Errata

The wife knew what he'd done and didn't tell the police at the first opportunity. That's even lower than him setting a fire which went wrong.

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

Honestly, what harm would it do to bring back capital punishment for a while. I know the argument is that "in a civilised society blah blah blah" but looking at this case, the Shannon Mathews case and many other stories you read in the news you have to wonder if we really do live in a civilised society at all.

I think that hanging these three from the nearest lamp post rather than letting them have a couple of jolly years inside the nearest minimum security prison before being unleashed on the world again is something we need to consider. I don't think it could do any harm at all.

Janepig

BugglyB wrote: »

Sorry it wasnt my intention to insult you.

Please don't extrapolate from my post that I mean that what she did was excusable.

I wasn't and I don't.

There seem to be a number of people though, on here and elsewhere who seem to believe that women, particularly mothers, are incapable of evil, and who will try all ways to find an excuse for their behaviour.

Jx

marisco_2

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

Honestly, what harm would it do to bring back capital punishment for a while. I know the argument is that "in a civilised society blah blah blah" but looking at this case, the Shannon Mathews case and many other stories you read in the news you have to wonder if we really do live in a civilised society at all.

They are going from one form of tax payer funded life to another. I doubt the likes of Mick will be bothered about being banged up. There will be little the prison service can do to rehabilitate a man like him. All it will achieve is to bring him into contact with some very undesirable people, making him even more of a nasty individual than he already is. Assuming that is humanly possible!