Anybody else watching this?

whichwhydoIturn

My girl is 33 , an adult but she's still my ill girl.My maternal instinct would be at the front of my thoughts in any head.
Even as the fire raged , i'd have given up my life trying to save my girl.
Bless the children

coolcait

marisco wrote: »

I think she had huge issues around relationships with men. They mentioned in the documentary that a previous boyfriend had shaved her head in some sort of argument! Bizarre

As I understood it, the defence put forward an argument that she had previously been in an abusive relationship.

Her partner in that relationship had shaved her head to stop her going out.

It does seem bizarre. However, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility in an abusive relationship.

Uphill

I see many women who have chosen very unwisely (in my opinion) their life partner. You see the woman being treated very poorly but they usually worship the ground these men walk on and unfortunately, to the detriment of their kids safety.

In their eyes, they have a relatively normal relationship. There are many reasons, such as unstable childhoods or treated very poorly in previous relationships and they feel that they now have a stable relationship, regardless of the downsides, it is the norm to be treated this way. Its such a vicious circle

coolcait

whichwhydoIturn wrote: »

Even as the fire raged , i'd have given up my life trying to save my girl.

It's easy to under-estimate the intensity of the fire - until you see the photos of the aftermath.

Even allowing for tabloid hyperbole, it is clear that the fire reached incredible temperatures. That would have beaten back anyone. And it would have been no reflection on how much they loved their children.

There's also the fact that bystanders are often reported as 'holding back' those who appear hell bent on a suicidal dash into the flames.

I have believed since the beginning that the parents were involved (with a brief blip of 'relief' shortly after the fire, when it was reported that un-named others - probably including the girl who had left him - were being interviewd by the police).

In my view, it is absolutely right that they have been found guilty of manslaughter.

I can't grasp the levels of ignorance and arrogance - or subjugation - which could make anyone think that they could set fire to a house with six children in it, and be sure of rescuing them. Any of them.

But, I do think that it is perfectly possible that these incredibly stupid, arrogant, controlling and/or subjugated people did genuinely love the children who they killed when their evil plan went wrong.

Cooper18

Daily Mail website (yes, I know.....:o) ) has a pile of articles of this now.

Apparently only one of the kiddies was wearing pyjamas when they were pulled out of the fire. One little boy was in his full school uniform. Didn't even have the decency to put them to bed properly.

fluffnutter

I think it's a shame that they can only be convicted of manslaughter, not murder.

delain

The whole thing is very sad

I also think the wife was so downtrodden she seemed to have lost the ability to think for herself, I think she was quite a weak willed person.

I was in a bad relationship once and it is amazing how stupid another person can make you, so you question your every thought and action, because you are told everything you think is wring or stupid, if not outright ignored . I escaped thankfully, but I had good family support to do so, perhaps mairead did not. Actually Mick philpott and his attitude does remind me of my ex in some ways, and this whole sorry story is reminding me that I did the right thing by my kids getting out of there.

Edit: that doesn't make what she did right. I'm glad she's going to prison.

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

It's easy to say it now, when the truth has come out, but when I heard about this and the fact that the fire might have been started deliberately my first thought was that the family did it to themselves.

There are a lot of people to blame for these parents though. Society in general held him up to be some kind of "king of the chavs" character when clearly the guy was nuts, but we laughed at his antics and patronised him "go on, Mick, say something else so we can all laugh at you". Ann Widdecombe should have known better but got a bit of TV exposure by following him around watching him acting up for the cameras.

When the attention fizzled and the money was running low he came up with a new scheme that went horribly wrong. Lets be honest, their kids are in a much better place now, just be afraid that in a couple of years when he gets out that he's not housed anywhere near you because who knows what he'll get up to next!

victory

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

It's easy to say it now, when the truth has come out, but when I heard about this and the fact that the fire might have been started deliberately my first thought was that the family did it to themselves.

There are a lot of people to blame for these parents though. Society in general held him up to be some kind of "king of the chavs" character when clearly the guy was nuts, but we laughed at his antics and patronised him "go on, Mick, say something else so we can all laugh at you". Ann Widdecombe should have known better but got a bit of TV exposure by following him around watching him acting up for the cameras.

When the attention fizzled and the money was running low he came up with a new scheme that went horribly wrong. Lets be honest, their kids are in a much better place now, just be afraid that in a couple of years when he gets out that he's not housed anywhere near you because who knows what he'll get up to next!

I said that. As soon as I saw it on the news. I said it was for money or a bigger house. I could barely watch the show and the little white coffins, I hope he goes down for the rest of his life

daisiegg

What was the programme called? Does anyone know if it will be repeated?