Excel, Roxborough & MET - SUSPENDED

Couchwarrior

It doesn't matter what you or they call it, it's a scam like you say that's not what I came to discuss, I will call it a notice of charge if I have to, that's what it says on the letter, if it helps and we can move on past pedantics

halibut2209

Couchwarrior wrote: »

You cannot invoice someone if they have not agreed to anything.

Of course you can. That's what these scum do.

And please don't call them "fines". You are merely giving them a sense of authority which they simply don't have.

peter_the_piper

I often get unsolicited invoices for entries in certain European Directories, (good recycling material)

Couchwarrior

I don't really care if some !!!!!! in an office gets a sense of authority for sending out a letter and I call it a fine, as its still meaningless as is his sense of authority, can we move on ?

trisontana

The BPA code of practice bans the word FINE.

We are trying to educate the wider public and most of the press into stop using the "f" word. Please don't undermine out cause.

Welsh_Exile

AlexisV wrote: »

Perform a FOI request to the DVLA asking the precise date the keeper's details were requested.

Do it now.

Welsh_Exile wrote: »

Would that not be a DPA request as it relates to personal data?

Actually - I've just checked the DVLA website and it says

What to do if you suspect your details have been requested unlawfully
If you think that your details have been obtained fraudulently or misused, you should write to Release of Information, Fee Paying Enquiries Section, DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1AJ. You should give your vehicle’s registration mark, and explain how the information has been misused. DVLA will investigate all allegations where information has been requested unlawfully and where appropriate, refer to the Information Commissioner for prosecution.

If you are not satisfied with the way DVLA has handled your complaint, you should contact the Information Commissioner at Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, SK9 5AF.

Whilst DVLA is keen to ensure that information is released only in appropriate circumstances, it has no authority to arbitrate in disputes between parties. Disputes over circumstances leading to incidents, etc, must be decided between the relevant parties.

So, Couchwarrior, I suggest you wing off a letter asap, someone may have committed a criminal offence.

Couchwarrior

Welsh_Exile wrote: »

Actually - I've just checked the DVLA website and it says



So, Couchwarrior, I suggest you wing off a letter asap, someone may have committed a criminal offence.

Thanks for a relevant reply and I will stick to not contributing in future haven't the patience for this, I have now got to tell a driver that he has had an invoice and then have a twenty minute discussion over what for because I cant use the "f" word

ManxRed

You can use the 'f' word to the driver, our point is that hundreds of newbies browse these threads for information relating to their own circumstances and it doesn't help that side of things when people insist they are 'fines' when we all know full well they aren't.

You can call them what you like if you're talking to a colleague, we don't care about that.

Welsh_Exile

Couchwarrior wrote: »

Thanks for a relevant reply and I will stick to not contributing in future haven't the patience for this, I have now got to tell a driver that he has had an invoice and then have a twenty minute discussion over what for because I cant use the "f" word

No problem.

This is why regulars here get annoyed with the use of the word "fine":-

The whole private parking scam works (for the parking companies) because of the general public's respect for authority and lack of legal knowledge.
The parking companies exploit this in several ways - tickets and letters which closely resemble real council/police ones (even chequered borders in some cases); the use of legal jargon and quoting legislation in a misleading way; calling their tickets Parking Charge Notices (real ones are Penalty Charge Notices) and generally trying to pass themselves off as a proper authority.

The real legal position is that only a court of law can fine you and penalties for parking can only be issued by proper authorities - the police, local authorities, TfL and, in some cases, railway companies.
So, calling private parking tickets "speculative invoices" (which, legally, is usually what they are) rather than "fines" helps to emphasise that these charges are hardly ever enforceable and helps to puncture the authority the PPCs try to claim.

Hope this helps you understand where we are coming from.

Coupon-mad

Couchwarrior wrote: »

Roxburghe are still getting details from somewhere as I have just received a 4th parking fine from outside Doncaster airport (different vehicles) and the date was 24th October 2012..... Quicker than usual though they usually take a few weeks not 2 days

Roxburghe don't issue fake 'fines'(!) as they are a debt collector not a PPC. So whoever issued the fake PCN are the ones who got your data. It's pointless complaining about Roxburghe or contacting the DVLA about a PCN only just issued by an AOS member PPC, Roxburghe are not even involved in that one yet.