Just had a crash, who's fault is it? Need advice please

Jamie_Carter

brat wrote: »

There are rules and advice to be heeded, and there is reasonable practice. It would be entirely reasonable for the driving instructor to enter from the first lane, and offer some indication to show others that it is her intention to keep going round the RAB, probably to come off at the next exit at 10 o'clock. It may well be that she's indicated because the OP has come hooning round the RAB to come off A456 at lane two, and she's felt that she has adequate time to move through in front of him. He's probably felt that he has the right of way whatever, and accelerated to try to come round her offside.

WRONG!!!!!!!

[STRIKE]Read[/STRIKE] Learn the highway code!

Jamie_Carter

brat wrote: »

There is no information from the approach on Harborne Road to suggest that this RAB should be treated as anything other than a normal RAB. So if the DI wants to come off at 10 o'clock, she should be in the left hand lane. If you look at the traffic flow lines on this overview, you can clearly see that the left hand approach lane from Harborne Road (the approach from the south west to the south of the RAB) is for the first/second exits, and the right hand approach lane is for the second/third/fourth exits.

So if the driving instructor has come out of Harborne Road, she absolutely was in the right lane. Of course you could choose to believe the OP that the DI came from behind him to alongside his nearside, but that's pure fantasy on his part.

The driving instructor was indicating right. So she was either in the wrong lane, or indicating incorrectly....like I said, learn the highway code.

dggar

demonted wrote: »

If the driving instructor entered the roundabout when not clear to do so, any approaching vehicle would have no choice but reduce speed to accommodate such a manoeuvre, thus be aware of that vehicle. The overtaking of the driving instructors vehicle in such circumstances, which results in a collision by crossing the driving instructors path, the driver of the vehicle overtaking is at fault, regardless of who entered the roundabout first.

However, the OP states he entered the roundabout from the second lane of the approach road, side by side with the drving instructors vehicle which occupied the first lane, although the OP had every intention of leaving at the first exit.

The driving instructor may of attempted to warn the OP of their intention to leave at the second exit by indicating right.

If you read through the entire thread you will see that the OP assumes the other party entered the roundabout at the same entrance as him when he presented his diagram.

Later in the thread he states that he has no idea where the other party entered the roundabout.


This thread should have been allowed to fade away four days ago when the OP stopped posting.

Jamie_Carter

dggar wrote: »

If you read through the entire thread you will see that the OP assumes the other party entered the roundabout at the same entrance as him when he presented his diagram.

Later in the thread he states that he has no idea where the other party entered the roundabout.


This thread should have been allowed to fade away four days ago when the OP stopped posting.

Good spot!

The OP has also changed their story about when he saw the driving instructor indicating.

TrickyWicky

One thing I've learned from this thread is that despite the rules for roundabouts being in writing in the highway code, they can still be understood in many different ways.

I can't help but wonder how many differing answers people might find for 1+1 lol

brat

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

brat wrote: »

There are rules and advice to be heeded, and there is reasonable practice. It would be entirely reasonable for the driving instructor to enter from the first lane, and offer some indication to show others that it is her intention to keep going round the RAB, probably to come off at the next exit at 10 o'clock. It may well be that she's indicated because the OP has come hooning round the RAB to come off A456 at lane two, and she's felt that she has adequate time to move through in front of him. He's probably felt that he has the right of way whatever, and accelerated to try to come round her offside.

WRONG!!!!!!!

[STRIKE]Read[/STRIKE] Learn the highway code!

Jamie, it's not all black and white, it's not all either right or wrong. You need to know this if you drive....

Jamie_Carter wrote:

The driving instructor was indicating right. So she was either in the wrong lane, or indicating incorrectly....like I said, learn the highway code.

...Furthermore, you've been somewhat off the pace on this particular debate, your tardy realisation that the OP's tale was a little 'confused' is proof of this.

Jamie_Carter

TrickyWicky wrote: »

One thing I've learned from this thread is that despite the rules for roundabouts being in writing in the highway code, they can still be understood in many different ways.

I can't help but wonder how many differing answers people might find for 1+1 lol

The trouble is that they aren't understood by many people. And that people often interpret laws to suit their bad driving habbits. People don't like to be told that what they do is wrong.

Jamie_Carter

brat wrote: »

Jamie, it's not all black and white, it's not all either right or wrong. You need to know this if you drive....



...Furthermore, you've been somewhat off the pace on this particular debate, your tardy realisation that the OP's tale was a little 'confused' is proof of this.

Yes it is black and white. It is the law, but you have shown in various threads that you don't agree with the law, so it must be wrong.

Jamie_Carter

I wouldn't take any advice from brat. As you can see in this thread, his knowledge of the Highway Code is very poor. Yet in other threads he has claimed to be a traffic police officer, and a collision investigator. But his knowledge of road traffic collisions is also very poor.

Personally I think he is just a self proclaimed armchair expert, who gets all of his info from the internet.

demonted

dggar wrote: »

This thread should have been allowed to fade away four days ago when the OP stopped posting.

So why bother adding to it !