Just had a crash, who's fault is it? Need advice please

Tilt

demonted wrote: »

Can only put this thread to bed when you all realise the driving instructor had every right to remain in the first lane and leave the roundabout at the second exit, the road makings give the option to do so, so does the guidence within the Highway Code.

The second lane of the first exit is for vehicle leaving the roundabout which have joined at the approach road prior to the one used by the op and not for overtaking a vehicle in the first lane.

Looks like it's going to be a long one then because that simply is not the case. Did you see my link to Street View of said round-a-bout earlier in the thread? It clearly shows that the markings of lane 1 leave the round-a-bout at the next exit and the option is also there for a vehicle in lane 2 to do the same. There are 2 lanes leading off the round-a-bout which means 2 cars can leave side by side at the same exit. Most large, multi-lane round-a-bouts are the same, especially those at motorway junctions.

cyclonebri1

krisdorey wrote: »

Have you got 1 where the troll gets a good thrashing??;)

demonted

Tilt wrote: »

Looks like it's going to be a long one then because that simply is not the case. Did you see my link to Street View of said round-a-bout earlier in the thread? It clearly shows that the markings of lane 1 leave the round-a-bout at the next exit and the option is also there for a vehicle in lane 2 to do the same. There are 2 lanes leading off the round-a-bout which means 2 cars can leave side by side at the same exit. Most large, multi-lane round-a-bouts are the same, especially those at motorway junctions.

Seen street view, seen road marking, read highway code and you are wrong !

Tilt

demonted wrote: »

Seen street view, seen road marking, read highway code and you are wrong !

Course I am. Thats why ive got a PCV class 1, and a IAM certificate.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Fiveways+Health+Centre,+Birmingham&hl=en&ll=52.472534,-1.917801&spn=0.035814,0.090895&sll=52.378507,-2.047234&sspn=0.01805,0.045447&oq=5+ways+&hq=Fiveways+Health+Centre,&hnear=Birmingham,+West+Midlands,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.472553,-1.918041&panoid=shgEqkormvMmTerBE8bk9Q&cbp=12,263.98,,0,7.73

So if you wanted to pass the exit here, you would be ok to use the left hand lane bearing in mind that it is quite proper for a vehicle in lane 2 to leave at this exit?

Jamie_Carter

TrueUnitedFan wrote: »

yep, 100% checked the company out, quite sure seen their company on a tv ad also ages ago.

You completely misunderstood what I said...I don't believe that any insurance or legal company would send out a letter worded like that. And It sounds like you have made it up.

Jamie_Carter

demonted wrote: »

He wasn't in the correct lane.
The driving instructor was in the correct lane.

The driving instructor was in the first lane and indicating right. So she was either in the wrong lane, or indicating incorrectly. It's as simple as that!!!

Jamie_Carter

demonted wrote: »

Seen street view, seen road marking, read highway code and you are wrong !

The driving instructor was indicating right. Read the highway code to see what that means at a roundabout!!!

demonted

dggar wrote: »

Did you witness this Incident?

If you did , contact the OP via a private message.

If not just let the thread drop.

You stop replying, if you want the thread to drop.

I did not see the accident.

My comments are made due to images posted by the OP and his version of events, the road marking and the guidance stated within the highway code.

The op should have NOT crossed the path of the driving instructor.

All new drivers are all taught not to assume or second guess anothers drivers intentions and to give drivers of other vehicles room, allowing a manoeuver to be execute and or completed to prevent a collision.

The road markings and guidance within the highway code gives the option to use the first lane to leave the roundabout at the first exit or to remain in the first lane and leave the roundabout at the second exit.

demonted

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

The driving instructor was in the first lane and indicating right. So she was either in the wrong lane, or indicating incorrectly. It's as simple as that!!!

Or the driving instructor was in the correct lane with every intention to leave the roundabout at the second exit, which the road markings permit and the highway code allows and was indicating right to show vehicles approaching from behind and to the side that they was not leaving at the first exit when the op overtook and attempted leave at the first exit using the second lane.

demonted

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

The driving instructor was indicating right. Read the highway code to see what that means at a roundabout!!!

You're the one who needs to read the highway code, everything I say make perfect sense to me.

If a vehicle is indicating right in such circumstances, do all motorist to the side or approaching from the rear ignor all possibilities and eventualities as they believe the vehicle indicating is in the wrong lane so plough on regardless !

Indicating right on a roundabout can mean the indicating vehicle wishes to change lanes and every motorist has the right to do so, as a vehicle can only enter a roundabout when it's clear to do so.
Any vehicles approaching from the rear should reduce speed accordingly to allow the vehicle ahead to complete their manoeuvre.

However, if a vehicle is sat on the approach road of the roundabout in the second, third or fourth lane with their right indicator on, it's only natural to assume the vehicle is intending to leave the roundabout at the second, third or even the fourth exit.

Although, as motorist we should never assume but wait until a indicating vehicle has completed their manuouver.