delicate subject - abortion

Tiddlywinks

starrystarry wrote: »

Hang on, you can't have it both ways. Abortion is either "ending a life" or it isn't. Or are you saying that abortion where the pregnancy was a result of rape is not "ending a life"? Is "ending a life" ok in some instances? Do women not need to "repent" those abortions?

Abortion IS ending a life, regardless of the reasons... that is a fact.

However, I recognise that people have varying reasons as to why they would wish to abort a pregnancy - some are what I consider to be 'lifestyle' related (unwanted, not the right time or whatever) whereas others are beyond their control (rape, medical condition).

I don't want it both ways - abortion IS ending a life.

Welshwoofs

marywooyeah wrote: »

Yes, it is. You said yourself that you spent more time choosing a takeaway than you did to decide that your baby shouldn't live.

No, I didn't say that at all actually - I never mentioned a baby. I never had a baby to make life and death decisions over.

Whether you recognise an unborn baby as a baby, or whether you classify the baby as a bunch of cells, the baby and the "bunch of cells" are alive and an abortion kills them. How anyone can argue that abortion does not end life is beyond me.

The pot of yogurt in my fridge is also alive...it's going a bit green around the edges though and I was thinking of flushing it down the sink. Perhaps I shouldn't as it's 'ending life'?

marywooyeah

Welshwoofs wrote: »

No, I didn't say that at all actually - I never mentioned a baby. I never had a baby to make life and death decisions over.


The pot of yogurt in my fridge is also alive...it's going a bit green around the edges though and I was thinking of flushing it down the sink. Perhaps I shouldn't as it's 'ending life'?

yes, you did have a baby. you will always be that child's mother.

your last comment is utterly pedantic and you know it - this is exactly why I will continue to pray for you.

starrystarry

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Abortion IS ending a life, regardless of the reasons... that is a fact.

However, I recognise that people have varying reasons as to why they would wish to abort a pregnancy - some are what I consider to be 'lifestyle' related (unwanted, not the right time or whatever) whereas others are beyond their control (rape, medical condition).

I don't want it both ways - abortion IS ending a life.

But you can accept it some circumstances? It's ok in some circumstances?

Tiddlywinks

Welshwoofs wrote: »

The pot of yogurt in my fridge is also alive...it's going a bit green around the edges though and I was thinking of flushing it down the sink. Perhaps I shouldn't as it's 'ending life'?

But, if left for 9 months, your yogurt won't enter this world crying, start to learn to walk, talk and love and grow into a living, breathing (hopefully) productive member of society - those 'cells' at the beginning of a pregnancy would if given the chance.

No matter how you try to sell this to yourself, the fact is that abortion is ending a life. Those 'cells' would have carried on developing into a baby, child and adult. Otherwise, why the need for the procedure?

Tiddlywinks

starrystarry wrote: »

But you can accept it some circumstances? It's ok in some circumstances?

I accept that people have their own reasons - that is for them to live with.

I absolutely believe that abortion is the ending of a life. How much clearer can I be.

Welshwoofs

marywooyeah wrote: »

yes, you did have a baby. you will always be that child's mother.

Errr no, I didn't 'have a baby'. I was rather unfortunately pregnant and I got rid of the embryo at around 3 months in. I had no baby, I've never been a Mother - I got a D&C to rid me of an unfortunate and rather inconvenient problem. End of.

your last comment is utterly pedantic and you know it - this is exactly why I will continue to pray for you.

No, it's not pedantic at all. There is life all around us and ending some of that life happens all the time in every househould every day. The life I got rid of was the size of the end of my thumb and totally unviable outside the womb. It was NOT a baby, it was a blob of matter. Now you can pray for me all you want but understand that doing so would be a completely selfish act done only for your own benefit.

mishkanorman

marywooyeah wrote: »

yes, you did have a baby. you will always be that child's mother.

your last comment is utterly pedantic and you know it - this is exactly why I will continue to pray for you.

i cant see how you came to that opinion at all ?

I will never be my lost childs mother and that is one thing that causes so much pain to us, we dont get to say we had 3 children (as it could have been) - yes I have had 3 pregnancies but most definately didnt get to become a mother to 3 children, as much as I wanted to be,

For someone who didnt want it I would say that sentiment is even more true ???

starrystarry

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

I accept that people have their own reasons - that is for them to live with.

Well stop chickening out by putting a proviso about medical necessity or rape in your replies then.

If you think abortion is wrong have the guts to say so, without provisos.

If you think it's acceptable in some circumstances then stop saying this.. "So, ending a life is not something to repent? It should be."

Person_one

Heamol wrote: »

The question is whether someone should have autonomy over the life of another human being. That is what abortion is, making decisions that end the life of another human being.

Nope, we aren't ever required to give up parts of our body for the sake of other people, even when they are people.