delicate subject - abortion

Tiddlywinks

kitschkitty wrote: »

But repentance implies you have done something wrong, and following that up by saying you have crossed a boundary and then with a list of possible things you may have done wrong immorality, coveting, lying, as well as taking innocent life is 100% backing up the fact that this organisation is judging the abortion as negative in a very particular way.

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The woman has made a choice. That choice may leave her with some guilt but she does not need to "repent" she needs to identify & understand why she feels guilty and be supported/confirmed (can't think of the right word) in her decision by the reasons she chose to have the abortion.

repent:
1.
to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc.
2.
to feel such sorrow for sin or fault as to be disposed to change one's life for the better; be penitent.

So they think you should be sorry, conscience-stricken, & self-reproachful about making a decision that was the right decision for you and that will cure your guilt.... words fail me.

I think 'repent' IS the right word... the fact is that there was a life - a viable person - whose life was ended well before nature intended.

How can a woman not feel regret and sorrow for the baby that might have been - that would surely be a 'normal' reaction.

It's about taking personal responsibility for your actions and accepting that you had a part to play in the events which led to the termination (rape / medical reasons are another matter IMO).

Some treat abortion as a perfectly acceptable alternative to contraception - indeed, some on here have said that their procedure has had no lasting effect on them at all - I find this exceptionally sad.

poet123

Person_one wrote: »

PND is a lot more common than 'emotional problems' following abortion, especially with an unwanted pregnancy I wonder how much Care Confidential warn women about that possibility.

I had never heard of Care Confidential until today and some of the statements are quite shocking if they are being accurately represented, but I don't think that they can be particularly blamed if they don't take the above tack.

I have had four children and have never been warned about PND. As many of the women who suffer emotional problems after abortion will keep it to themselves and not seek help, I am not sure how you can accurately say which is more common. How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Person_one

poet123 wrote: »

I had never heard of Care Confidential until today and some of the statements are quite shocking if they are being accurately represented, but I don't think that they can be particularly blamed if they don't take the above tack.

I have had four children and have never been warned about PND. As many of the women who suffer emotional problems after abortion will keep it to themselves and not seek help, I am not sure how you can accurately say which is more common. How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Here's one PND prevalence study, there are many more sources to find the data on how common it is:

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/21621731

Can you find the equivalent for 'post abortion trauma', or in fact one reputable psychiatric journal that acknowledges its existence?

Torry_Quine

poet123 wrote: »

I had never heard of Care Confidential until today and some of the statements are quite shocking if they are being accurately represented, but I don't think that they can be particularly blamed if they don't take the above tack.

I have had four children and have never been warned about PND. As many of the women who suffer emotional problems after abortion will keep it to themselves and not seek help, I am not sure how you can accurately say which is more common. How did you arrive at that conclusion?

I'm surprised that you've not heard of them as they have centres throughout the country. I'm sure that any organisations statements taken out of context and without explanation can be misunderstood. However be assured that they help and support many women and men who are faced with an unplanned pregnancy or have had an abortion.

I'm not getting into a debate about which is more prevelant as that's not the issue but I totally agree that many women keep quiet after an abortion and even when they speak to a GP are ignored as to the real root of the problem.

mishkanorman

Person_one wrote: »

Here's one PND prevalence study, there are many more sources to find the data on how common it is:

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/21621731

Can you find the equivalent for 'post abortion trauma', or in fact one reputable psychiatric journal that acknowledges its existence?

would it specifically called 'post abortion trauma' - I would just call it traumatic, depression, etc

PND is only now becoming recognised or readily accepted as anything more severe than 'baby blues' - with abortion being such a taboo subject still surely its got to be a case of not yet giving it a name rather than it not existing ?

starrystarry

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

I think 'repent' IS the right word... the fact is that there was a life - a viable person - whose life was ended well before nature intended.

How can a woman not feel regret and sorrow for the baby that might have been - that would surely be a 'normal' reaction.

It's about taking personal responsibility for your actions and accepting that you had a part to play in the events which led to the termination (rape / medical reasons are another matter IMO).

Some treat abortion as a perfectly acceptable alternative to contraception - indeed, some on here have said that their procedure has had no lasting effect on them at all - I find this exceptionally sad.

It depends what aspect of the situation you think the woman should "repent". I think most women who have a termination will "repent" that fact that they are in this position (i.e. regret getting pregnant), but not everyone will "repent" the termination itself.

poet123

Person_one wrote: »

Here's one PND prevalence study, there are many more sources to find the data on how common it is:

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/21621731

Can you find the equivalent for 'post abortion trauma', or in fact one reputable psychiatric journal that acknowledges its existence?

That refers only to first time mothers, and was a relatively small study of 512 women.

This is interesting found from a quick google

http://birthpsychology.com/journal-article/complicated-mourning-dynamics-impacted-post-abortion-grief

Tiddlywinks

starrystarry wrote: »

It depends what aspect of the situation you think the woman should "repent". I think most women who have a termination will "repent" that fact that they are in this position (i.e. regret getting pregnant), but not everyone will "repent" the termination itself.

So, ending a life is not something to repent? It should be.

starrystarry

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

So, ending a life is not something to repent? It should be.

You might define it as a life but not everyone would. A potential life...yes. But let's not start a huge debate about that again, we'll be here all night.

The law in this country says it's legal to have a termination, so I'm afraid it's not up to you to tell me, or anyone else, what I should "repent". That's your moral judgement on the issue, not a fact.

rachbc

poet123 wrote: »

That refers only to first time mothers, and was a relatively small study of 512 women.

This is interesting found from a quick google

http://birthpsychology.com/journal-article/complicated-mourning-dynamics-impacted-post-abortion-grief

Ms Spekhard (the author of that paper) is hardly a bastion of impartial science - she is a christian anti-abortion campaigner. Unfortunately there is as much bad science in this field as there is in pro-creationists science, climate change scepticism and other assorted nonsense