Delivery Company say I signed I was not home

prowla

lovinituk wrote: »

As far as the seller is concerned it HAS been delivered, it HAS been handed over to the buyer and it HAS been authenticated - as far as they are concerned they have all the information to prove this. Its now up to the buyer to prove it hasn't been delivered and the only proof they have of that at the moment is their word.

With your logic, what is to stop me ordering something, signing for it as 'Mickey Mouse' and then saying I haven't received it because thats not my signature?!

It's fraudulent, theft, forgery, deception, illegal and probably a few more things.

lovinituk

prowla wrote: »

It's fraudulent, theft, forgery, deception, illegal and probably a few more things.

Ah yes, and because of all of those things there is never a crime committed anywhere in the world!!! And back to reality!!!!! With that logic then the OPs signature hasn't been faked by the courier (or someone else)!!

prowla

lovinituk wrote: »

Ah yes, and because of all of those things there is never a crime committed anywhere in the world!!! And back to reality!!!!! With that logic then the OPs signature hasn't been faked by the courier (or someone else)!!

You cannot prevent crime, but the laws dealing with aforementioned offences are a way of dealing with it.

In terms of twisting the logic around, there are the following options, as I see it:
(a) the OP received the goods and deliberately mis-signed in order to instigate a deception, and is lying,
(b) the item was delivered to the OP's address but somebody else took it and forged the OP's signature, with or without the OP's knowledge/collusion,
(c) the item was delivered to the wrong address and was received by somebody else who happily sai "I'll have that" and forged the OP's signature,
(d) the courier didn't deliver it and the signature was somehow forged.

I'm tending to discount the first one.

lovinituk

prowla wrote: »

You cannot prevent crime, but the laws dealing with aforementioned offences are a way of dealing with it.

Exactly! So there is nothing to prevent me ordering something, signing for it as 'Mickey Mouse' and then saying I haven't received it because thats not my signature. Only deterrents and we all know that not everyone is deterred else there would be no crime. To deal with it, you have to catch the criminal first!

prowla wrote: »

In terms of twisting the logic around, there are the following options, as I see it:
(a) the OP received the goods and deliberately mis-signed in order to instigate a deception, and is lying,
(b) the item was delivered to the OP's address but somebody else took it and forged the OP's signature, with or without the OP's knowledge/collusion,
(c) the item was delivered to the wrong address and was received by somebody else who happily sai "I'll have that" and forged the OP's signature,
(d) the courier didn't deliver it and the signature was somehow forged.

I'm tending to discount the first one.

I believe the OP and discount the first one too. But the seller can't be so sure so (a) is still a possibility from their point of view.

socrates

ludovico wrote: »

OP what courier company was doing the delivery?

DPD - the drivers are franchisees - connected to Geo Post

prowla

lovinituk wrote: »

Exactly! So there is nothing to prevent me ordering something, signing for it as 'Mickey Mouse' and then saying I haven't received it because thats not my signature. Only deterrents and we all know that not everyone is deterred else there would be no crime. To deal with it, you have to catch the criminal first!

yes, and I've never said anything otherwise, have I?

lovinituk wrote: »

I believe the OP and discount the first one too. But the seller can't be so sure so (a) is still a possibility from their point of view.

Yes, and my posts have been based on my opinion that that assumption is correct.

greenstreetprince

socrates wrote: »

What they will not be ready for is the evidence from the graphologist which is very damning - even though everyone thought it was a bad move

Although I totally hope you can get a decision in your favour via some sort of channel, I really dont see how that will prove the entire case in your favour.

the only thing a graphologist will prove is that YOU did not sign for the package.

What it wont prove is that nobody else at the premises or nobody claiming to be at the premises has not signed for it, and that i'm afriad may just be the key point in this whole sorry saga

lovinituk

prowla wrote: »

yes, and I've never said anything otherwise, have I?

lovinituk wrote: »

With your logic, what is to stop me ordering something, signing for it as 'Mickey Mouse' and then saying I haven't received it because thats not my signature?!

prowla wrote: »

It's fraudulent, theft, forgery, deception, illegal and probably a few more things.

I wasn't arguing for the sake of it!!

socrates

greenstreetprince wrote: »

Although I totally hope you can get a decision in your favour via some sort of channel, I really dont see how that will prove the entire case in your favour.

the only thing a graphologist will prove is that YOU did not sign for the package.

What it wont prove is that nobody else at the premises or nobody claiming to be at the premises has not signed for it, and that i'm afriad may just be the key point in this whole sorry saga

It can prove a lot but I am not revealing that bit just yet

Lets just say - if it gets as far as court and the driver is there - if he continues to claim he never signed - there can be categoric proof brought forward to prove it was him - remember he will be under oath - will he be prepared to perjure himself

RFW

socrates wrote: »

Quite happy to go to court and as for time off I will make time for a matter like this which is a matter of principal

I do not care about the money its the fact that my signature has been FORGED and that shows me that the driver is morally corrupt and capable of fraud

I am sure you will be the next happiest person if I am successful

It's fortunate you don't care about the money as you appear to have approached it in such a way that it will end up costing you more.

As has been said a graphologist can prove that you didn't sign it but can't prove that no one at your address or pretending to be at your address signed for it. Can you prove that you are the only person who has been in your premises or even outside the door within the time the parcel was supposed to have been delivered?

If you do end up in court, the judge may ask you if you contacted the courier direct and if not, why not. You may be right, but then, if the seller was on here, I may be saying that to him too. You seriously need to check if the seller is the person at fault and culpable.