Self Respect vs Responsibility

POPPYOSCAR

thatgirlsam wrote: »

Now this would give me a real reason to worry!

Tell him not to drive faster than his Guardian Angel can fly!!

He is a teenage boy and as such rides with the devil!!

BugglyB

gingin wrote: »

Me too. In fact, it has been the high point in my (admittedly quiet) day.

Hurray me three!

POPPYOSCAR

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

He is a teenage boy and as such rides with the devil!!

It is not just the speed he drives it is the way he drives, weaving in and out of the traffic and pulling up sharply.

He does not always drive fast - he once got stopped by the police because he was driving slowly in the rain - they thought a teenage boy driving slowly was suspicious!!

preciousillusions

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

What good would a message like that do, they would take no notice!

I do not read it saying it is your own fault, I read it as warning to women that this could happen to you especially if you are a bit worse for wear and not have your faculties about you.

Even if they wouldn't, it puts the blame on them (the perpetrator rather than the victim), and sense of shame. Like someone else said earlier in the thread RAPISTS are responsible for RAPE.

lostinrates

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

It is not just the speed he drives it is the way he drives, weaving in and out of the traffic and pulling up sharply.

He does not always drive fast - he once got stopped by the police because he was driving slowly in the rain - they thought a teenage boy driving slowly was suspicious!!

PO, how do you stand it? Would an advanced driving course help?

( contraversially perhaps, and with no wish to offend i see thebehaviour you describe being a similar issue to that raised in op about hirls, respect for self and crucially, to others)

aliasojo

lostinrates wrote: »

didyou think i had nice white hair and was a nice old lady?

Nooo, I thought you had brown hair and were late 40's. :rotfl:

I'm sorry.

You're still nice though.

preciousillusions

Mojisola wrote: »

Exactly! That's why there are posters around saying "Watch out! There's a thief about" advising people to look after their belongings.

Posters saying "Don't be a thief! It's bad!" would be a waste of trees.

There's no degree of victim blaming associated with theft like there is with rape and sexual assault. It's damaging and sadly affects conviction rates. But I can see arguing about this is not really constructive.

lostinrates

preciousillusions wrote: »

There's no degree of victim blaming associated with theft like there is with rape and sexual assault. It's damaging and sadly affects conviction rates. But I can see arguing about this is not really constructive.

Huh? Try telling our house and contents insurers that we cannot similarY protect our stuff.

I would like to leave my windows open all the time and the house unlocked while i am in the fields next to my house but......

preciousillusions

I would strongly suggest everyone reads this article (especially if you are trying to argue against the existence/damage of victim blaming!): http://ontoberlin.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/tale-of-two-rape-prevention-campaigns.html

BugglyB

preciousillusions wrote: »

There's no degree of victim blaming associated with theft like there is with rape and sexual assault. It's damaging and sadly affects conviction rates. But I can see arguing about this is not really constructive.

I think what you're talking about is not victim blaming.

The taxi example you gave. Another example I can think of is warning people about boiler room scams. Its not to say its their fault if it does happen to them, its to make them aware this is a specific type of crime with a specific MO.

Victim blaming would be, for example, a jury thinking, well she went home with him so she must have been up for it, or someone saying 'she was asking for it' or 'stupid girl, what was she doing out at that time anyway'. I once knew of someone who was raped at 2am between her taxi and her front door. Some people would have said it was her own fault - thats victim blaming.