Who's going to loose when DLA becomes PIP?

zzzLazyDaisy

uponahill wrote: »

Why do you ask??

Go and buy your own car is the simple answer.

And if you don't have a few thousand conveniently stashed away to buy a new car? If you are limited to more expensive automatics because your disability means that you would be unable to drive a manual car. If you need expensive adaptations? If you can't get credit for some reason, or would be unable to afford the repayments?

For someone unable to use public transport, and who is not wheelchair bound but is unable to walk very far, that person will be housebound and unable to get to work, and so will end up on benefits.

krisskross

pauletruth wrote: »

great if i lose my motaility car i am housebound. how that helps save money i don't understand as it will mean i will need to start claiming benifits. how many disabled are going to lose their jobs because of this.

You can't do a trade like this. Taxpayer provides me with a car otherwise I can't/won't work.

You will either be entitled to the car or you won't. If you lose entitlement to a car then the decision will be yours what you do about work.

As for benefits you could find yourself not entitled to that much if you have a working partner.

SandraScarlett

pstuart wrote: »

I was told by a Motability advisor that about half of their fleet was leased to retired disabled people - not at the moment being re- assessed.

So, 600,000 (current fleet) by half is 300,000 and the quoted figure of 150,000 cars are being returned.

Therfore 50% of current re-assessments are envisaged to be failures - are my maths correct?

My DH, who is 73, gets HRC and HRM indefinitely. Does that mean he won't be re-assessed? I've read what was stated above, but so many claims are being refuted, that I would be grateful if this could be confirmed please. Thank you.

xx

Anubis_2

SandraScarlett wrote: »

My DH, who is 73, gets HRC and HRM indefinitely. Does that mean he won't be re-assessed? I've read what was stated above, but so many claims are being refuted, that I would be grateful if this could be confirmed please. Thank you.

xx

At the moment the PIP reassessment is for over 16 and under 65, so no, as it stands now, he won't be. Things may change but I think it would be unlikely.

uponahill

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

And if you don't have a few thousand conveniently stashed away to buy a new car? If you are limited to more expensive automatics because your disability means that you would be unable to drive a manual car. If you need expensive adaptations? If you can't get credit for some reason, or would be unable to afford the repayments?

For someone unable to use public transport, and who is not wheelchair bound but is unable to walk very far, that person will be housebound and unable to get to work, and so will end up on benefits.

But the person is working, so buy a car out of earnings instead of crying a bleeding heart.

How do you think others manage to buy cars then? Why are you so negative in your thinking?

uponahill

Anubis wrote: »

At the moment the PIP reassessment is for over 16 and under 65, so no, as it stands now, he won't be. Things may change but I think it would be unlikely.

It is LIKELY!!! But at the moment only those in the 16 - 65 range will be re-tested. When that is complete there is little doubt that they won't then start on the under 16's and over 65's.

You cannot have two benefits running side by side on the basis that those under 16 will drop off when they get to 16 and the over 65's when they peg it!

How would you propose that they re-examine a 75 year old who was on indef but selected for review?

Under the old DLA rules or under the new PIP ones?

Or are you actually saying that those over 65 will now not ever have to be re-examined again?

And so DLA will run out in somewhere between 13 years (when they reach 16) and the death of the last 65 year old guy in say 30 years??

No that would never work. PIP will be brought in for everyone and I would imagine that in about 6 years there will be no one in receipt of DLA - everyone young and old will have been tested.

(That will be the time to buy a good used second hand car off Motability as when they get round to the over 65's a shed load will be given back)

Darlyd

uponahill wrote: »

You are the type of claimant that does need to be reviewed as quickly as possible!

Never had a review - that is disgusting and why this new benefit has been brought in!

What a lovely person you are. I take it you know everything about every disability, do you?

People like you make people like me disgusted! Vile person, just vile.

moose1982

uponahill wrote: »

But the person is working, so buy a car out of earnings instead of crying a bleeding heart.

How do you think others manage to buy cars then? Why are you so negative in your thinking?

Don't forget Andy that the banner slogan for DLA is essentially to 'help disabled people with the extra expenses that come with the disability'. Adaptions is not something a 'normal' person would need and so there is an additional expense.

(I put normal in inverted commas, because I believe we are all unique, there is no normal)

Anubis_2

uponahill wrote: »

It is LIKELY!!! But at the moment only those in the 16 - 65 range will be re-tested. When that is complete there is little doubt that they won't then start on the under 16's and over 65's.

You cannot have two benefits running side by side on the basis that those under 16 will drop off when they get to 16 and the over 65's when they peg it!

How would you propose that they re-examine a 75 year old who was on indef but selected for review?

Under the old DLA rules or under the new PIP ones?

Or are you actually saying that those over 65 will now not ever have to be re-examined again?

And so DLA will run out in somewhere between 13 years (when they reach 16) and the death of the last 65 year old guy in say 30 years??

No that would never work. PIP will be brought in for everyone and I would imagine that in about 6 years there will be no one in receipt of DLA - everyone young and old will have been tested.

(That will be the time to buy a good used second hand car off Motability as when they get round to the over 65's a shed load will be given back)

Stop scaremongering. I repeat there are no plans to reassess the under 16s and the over 65s

uponahill

darlyd wrote: »

What a lovely person you are. I take it you know everything about every disability, do you?

People like you make people like me disgusted! Vile person, just vile.

I don't have to and quite honestly it doesn't matter.

What does matter is that one of the main reasons why PIP has been brought in is that the vast majority in this country are very upset that under DLA, regular reviews/re-assessments haven't been carried out.
People have been left to drift along with no one ever checking that that you are still entitled to it.

Re-assessments are the focus of PIP, no one should or will in future be allowed to draw money without somebody doing some checks along the way on a regular, yearly basis I hope.