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Who's going to loose when DLA becomes PIP?

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  • zzzLazyDaisy
    zzzLazyDaisy Posts: 12,497 Forumite
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    edited 6 March 2012 at 5:41PM
    uponahill wrote: »
    What does matter is that one of the main reasons why PIP has been brought in is that the vast majority in this country are very upset that under DLA, regular reviews/re-assessments haven't been carried out.
    People have been left drift along with no one ever checking that that you are still entitled to it.

    That is absolutely not true. The vast majority of people on DLA get the award for a limited time period - usually around two years.

    Some people do get indefinite awards and these are usually people whose claims are backed up by medical reports stating that the condition is degenerative and either imporovement is unlikely or any change is likely to be for the worse. This is normally confirmed by the DLA's own medical adviser after visiting the claimant in their own home.

    Regular yearly checks on such people will simply overload the system, and prevent adequate monitoring of those with temporary disabilities who are likely to improve in time or with surgery for example. Talk about the law of unintended consequences!

    Sadly the general public know as little as you do about the reality of DLA, and are too quick to believe the propaganda spouted by people like you who either don't know any better or - worse - get some sort of perverse kick out of baiting vulnerable people.
    I'm a retired employment solicitor. Hopefully some of my comments might be useful, but they are only my opinion and not intended as legal advice.
  • uponahill
    uponahill Posts: 318 Forumite
    edited 6 March 2012 at 5:43PM
    moose1982 wrote: »
    Don't forget Andy that the banner slogan for DLA is essentially to 'help disabled people with the extra expenses that come with the disability'. Adaptions is not something a 'normal' person would need and so there is an additional expense.

    (I put normal in inverted commas, because I believe we are all unique, there is no normal)

    Oh I agree and by the way the name isn't Andy, never has been.

    The costs of adaptions to cars is a consideration and I would suggest that it is covered by a one off payment say out of the Social Fund. Then you will have a car that you have purchased, adapted at the government's expense - then there is no need for any further payments. You pay for the running costs etc out of earnings like the rest of the public do.

    That is what I am doing - my Mobility car is going back early and instead I am buying a new one first of all out of the HRM payments, and when they stop after my PIP assessment, they will be covered out of other income.
    It's called forward planning. By the way I don't work - too ill and disabled to do so, I will cut back on other things to compensate.

    As for the extra expenses - and apart from your example, I cannot think of any expense that I incur that would not arise if I was perfectly fit!
    Why are people so negative?
  • uponahill
    uponahill Posts: 318 Forumite
    Anubis wrote: »
    Stop scaremongering. I repeat there are no plans to reassess the under 16s and the over 65s

    Oh for goodness sake - of course there are plans. Just at the moment they are not being implimented.

    Lets say a guy who is 66 today and lives for another 30 years - are you honestly telling me that they will still have DLA being run side by side of PIP for all those years up until 2042?

    Not in a month of Sundays will they do that.

    It's like saying that a certain age group will not be moved from IB to ESA!! You are in cloud cuckoo land!!

    I would imagine that after they have concluded the re-assessment of the 16 - 65 age group - 3 years time maybe, they will start on the upper and lower age DLA recipients.

    Say in about 5/6 years time everyone of every age will have been re-assessed using PIP criteria.
  • cord123
    cord123 Posts: 644 Forumite
    Sorry, this is the first I have heard of this. I only got awarded it for my son a few weeks ago and it said it was dues for review in 2013. He has been awarded Middle rate and they have said that I should apply for the mobility side when he is 3 (as it cant be claimed before) when are all these changes due to come in? and will my son be affected if his claim is so recent. We are going to put the money towards him going to a nursery for one more day a week as he loves it so much but there is no point if we could lose it. i would hate to dissappoint him.


    thank you for your help xx
  • uponahill
    uponahill Posts: 318 Forumite
    That is absolutely not true. The vast majority of people on DLA get the award for a limited time period - usually around two years.

    I don't know. But I was referring to the poster who said that they have not had a review or check up for 9 years!!!
    With a short award like that, I would agree, it is fairly reasonable. But to be left alone for that length of time is plainly and simply wrong.

    Some people do get indefinite awards and these are usually people whose claims are backed up by medical reports stating that the condition is degenerative and either imporovement is unlikely or any change is likely to be for the worse. This is normally confirmed by the DLA's own medical adviser after visiting the claimant in their own home.

    So with that thinking and considering that I get HRM/MRC indefinitely, which was awarded after submission of medical reports and an excellent GP report, with conditions that are also degenerate, progressive and life threatening, I shouldn't be reviewed either?
    Personally I think that is wrong. It's not what is wrong with me, or my inabilities but more to do with being seen to be entitled from a public point of view. If the public knew that everyone was re-assessed regularly, they would have a different opinion of the disabled that receive benefits.

    Regular yearly checks on such people will simply overload the system, and prevent adequate monitoring of those with temporary disabilities who are likely to improve in time or with surgery for example. Talk about the law of unintended consequences!

    No it wouldn't, they would bring on board more assessors!
    If people receive any benefit, they should be required to account to the public at large that they are entitled to that benefit. With DLA/PIP, that will mean regular reviews/re-assessments. The public's perception of benefit claiming people will improve.

    Sadly the general public know as little as you do about the reality of DLA, and are too quick to believe the propaganda spouted by people like you who either don't know any better or - worse - get some sort of perverse kick out of baiting vulnerable people.

    You are wrong there. I have been around DLA since the mid 90's.
    I view things not from my point of view but from the point of view of how the ordinary guy in the street sees it.
    If you tell someone that you receive a disability benefit and that for the past 9 years have never been asked to prove that the condition/needs still warrant that payment, how do you think the average guy would react?
    I know how I would!

    If you keep that in mind and regularly demonstrate continuing needs by way of independent assessment, surely you are going some way to help improve the stigma that is associated with benefit claimants at the moment.
  • Soapn
    Soapn Posts: 1,521 Forumite
    [there will be
    :p
    When your life is a mess, stop and think what you are doing before bringing more kids into it, it's not fair on them.
    GLAD NOT TO BE A MEMBER OF THE "ENTITLED TO " UNDER CLASS
  • SandraScarlett
    SandraScarlett Posts: 4,133 Forumite
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    I was interested to read your forthcoming plans uponahill regarding the purchase of a new car, and relinquishing your Motability one, ahead of time.

    I seem to remember rotoguys saying he was going to do the same thing, but then he stopped posting, just after someone suggested that his actions could be seen as deprivation of capital. I believe he was on/hoping to go on Pension Credit, and was desperate not to have more than a certain amount of capital.

    Supposing someone had £40,000 in savings, and because their Motability car was returned, they needed to buy one, with adaptations, and roomy enough for their wheelchair, and that cost them £20,000. They would then fall below the twenty something thousand savings, which would trigger Pension Credit. Is that right? Thank you.

    xx
  • schrodie
    schrodie Posts: 8,410 Forumite
    uponahill wrote: »
    Oh for goodness sake - of course there are plans. Just at the moment they are not being implimented.

    Lets say a guy who is 66 today and lives for another 30 years - are you honestly telling me that they will still have DLA being run side by side of PIP for all those years up until 2042?

    Not in a month of Sundays will they do that.

    It's like saying that a certain age group will not be moved from IB to ESA!! You are in cloud cuckoo land!!

    I would imagine that after they have concluded the re-assessment of the 16 - 65 age group - 3 years time maybe, they will start on the upper and lower age DLA recipients.

    Say in about 5/6 years time everyone of every age will have been re-assessed using PIP criteria.

    More likely is that should this con-lib government survive the next election or worse [heaven forbid] the tories get back in toto then it wouldn't surprise me if DLA/PIP became the responsibility of local councils then this con-libs reduction of 20% in the DLA caselaod will seem like chicken-feed!!
  • Soapn
    Soapn Posts: 1,521 Forumite
    @ Uponahill

    People keep saying I'm Andy..........who is he?
    When your life is a mess, stop and think what you are doing before bringing more kids into it, it's not fair on them.
    GLAD NOT TO BE A MEMBER OF THE "ENTITLED TO " UNDER CLASS
  • wellynever
    wellynever Posts: 908 Forumite
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    uponahill wrote: »
    You are wrong there. I have been around DLA since the mid 90's.
    I view things not from my point of view but from the point of view of how the ordinary guy in the street sees it.
    If you tell someone that you receive a disability benefit and that for the past 9 years have never been asked to prove that the condition/needs still warrant that payment, how do you think the average guy would react?
    I know how I would!

    If you keep that in mind and regularly demonstrate continuing needs by way of independent assessment, surely you are going some way to help improve the stigma that is associated with benefit claimants at the moment.

    Never had a medical for my DLA for over 14 years i just fill in the form that come now and again, Just remember though they probably get intouch with my doctor and the last time i got to see my doctor was in 1999, Looking forward to PIP as i know i'll be ok.
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