Worse of Boyfriend Moving in

zoezoe_3

lottee wrote:

Totally, but I hate the fact that some get it & others dont, based on salary intake. My OH & I both work, hence being taxpayers also, but we say so earn too much to be entitled to anything apart from the funded sessions, since our son turned 3, which is a great help. Don't know where we used to find the money before then!

So how would you change the system then ?

Would you offer benefits to all ? In which case how will that be funded ?

Would you offer benefits to nobody ?

The whole tax system is based on income, high earners pay more in tax. You might be complaining about not getting benefit but we all subsidise each other, certainly the very high earners pay more into the system that they can take out.

What would you change ?

black-saturn

How come no one ever starts a thread about the millions in tax which is paid to immigrants in this country? Before you start begrudging single parents why not say something about people who have never paid a penny into this society and neither have any of their relatives, get free accommodation and then benefits and then bring all their relatives over and have 13 children each under the UK NHS system. Wonder how long that post is going to be on here?

Morglin

lottee wrote:

Totally, but I hate the fact that some get it & others dont, based on salary intake. My OH & I both work, hence being taxpayers also, but we say so earn too much to be entitled to anything apart from the funded sessions, since our son turned 3, which is a great help. Don't know where we used to find the money before then!

My daughter is in the same position as you - she gets funded sessions for my grand-daughter, but the system is so complicated and convaluted now that taxation has gone mad, she and hubby (income £58k+) get funded sessions - which is nuts. They would be better bringing back some of the old "married man's tax allowance" and simplifying the whole thing - and it would cut costs with all the admin.

Their taxes have shot up - yet then they get tax credits.

Which just means another army of workers to pay out with one hand, and give back with another.

Barmy.

As regards single parents v immigrants.........well, there is a very good argument for saying that NO-ONE should be able to get ANYTHING until they have paid in for 5 years. That would stop all the "clever" 16 year old mums and immigrants claiming.

Lin :rolleyes:

krisskross

black-saturn wrote:

How come no one ever starts a thread about the millions in tax which is paid to immigrants in this country? Before you start begrudging single parents why not say something about people who have never paid a penny into this society and neither have any of their relatives, get free accommodation and then benefits and then bring all their relatives over and have 13 children each under the UK NHS system. Wonder how long that post is going to be on here?

No one ever starts a thread like this because it is racist. I begrudge nothing to genuine immigrants who have come to the country in fear of their lives or purely to work and make a better life for themselves. We only hear about the fraudsters amonst the immigrants, much as you are always complaing that single parents on benefits are always berated.

astonsmummy

black-saturn wrote:

How come no one ever starts a thread about the millions in tax which is paid to immigrants in this country? Before you start begrudging single parents why not say something about people who have never paid a penny into this society and neither have any of their relatives, get free accommodation and then benefits and then bring all their relatives over and have 13 children each under the UK NHS system. Wonder how long that post is going to be on here?

Because thats just another boring and imo seems a bit bigotted sweeping statement, and would be a post specifically to sl@g these people off, the OP made the thread to moan coz she'll be a bit worse off not being a LP.

mumsicle_2

Morglin, is your Grandaughter over 3? Sounds like she gets funded sessions as any +3 year old gets, it's not tax credits. Whereas when I was a child we had 'playschool', now this education seems to take place in allsorts of places, nursery, pre-school, school. I think it's 2.5 hours per day.

kelloggs36

Yes that's right. My son is 3 1/2 and he gets 5 free sessions per week. We get no tax credits except for the bare minimum, which is about the same as the married person's tax allowance which was scrapped.

seven-day-weekend

I think if you are a couple and you both want to work full-time earning decent money , you should pay for your childrens' nursery places yourself. You have two incomes.

It is different for a single parent who only has one income.

lottee

zoezoe wrote:

So how would you change the system then ?

Would you offer benefits to all ? In which case how will that be funded ?

Would you offer benefits to nobody ?

The whole tax system is based on income, high earners pay more in tax. You might be complaining about not getting benefit but we all subsidise each other, certainly the very high earners pay more into the system that they can take out.

What would you change ?

Fair points, but I just think that the way it is at the moment, regarding the childcare element is a little harsh. Not just for me, but a lot of mothers. Some want to return to work, but they are having to think twice - because their earnings will probably only cover the childcare bill, with maybe a little left over if you're lucky. Sure, maybe 'they' should of thought of that, before anyone says it!
Another one is the Child Trust Fund - brilliant, not knocking it at all, lovely that my son got a cheque for £250 - there are of course some people with no children who wouldn't get anything, BUT why say it is for the child, not to be touched until they are 18 or whatever, & then give 1 child £250, but Joe Bloggs around the corner got £500 - well hes from a low income family. :rolleyes:
What's to say that we won't be classed as a low income family in a couple of years, or a low income family now turn it around for the better?
As for not offering benefits to anyone, of course not, I know there are probably far more genuine people out there, it's just a shame that we always focus on the ones who aren't.

lottee

Spendless wrote:

lottee-have you ever looked into the childcare vouchers I mentioned before. We don't qualify for nursery help via tax credits either, but using childcare vouchers was a big saving to us. Sorry going O/T a bit.

Thanks spendless, what's this all about then? He is 4 now, but as I work p/t, I still pay for the extra hours he does - on top of the funded sessions.