Prams on buses

custardy

Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »

That is lovely for you but some people have a much longer wait. Some of the bus routes around here areevery 30-60 mins depending on time. If I get to a bus and have to then wait 30-60 mins in my wheelchair I am not going to be happy and neither is my partner. There is another bus stop that we could use instead to go where we usually go but it is quite a distance and at most is every 10mins (due to cuts etc they are talking about putting it at ever 20mins at best :mad::mad:).

Also why should I have to wait because I have a disabled bus pass? My partner comes with me on all bus routes and he pays - same as a mother/farther with a buggy as a baby/child in a buggy goes on for free.

It is much easier for a parent with a buggy to get off and walk than it is for a person pushing a disabled person to push the person or if on their own the disabled person to self propell themselves. People do not realise that it is not easy to push someone in a wheelchair or self propell. Pushing a buggy is MUCH easier.

as is demonstrated in this post
X applies to you,so you see that as important over anyone else
I got overtaken by an old dear on a disabled scooter thing this morning as i walked to the shops pushing the buggy(and Im a fast walker).
I think they should be limited to a walking pace on pavements. Im sure she would disagree
if it relates to how easy mving X weight is,then should manual wheelchairs be more important than powered?

morganedge

UK is full of very rude people. What's new.

Doom_and_Gloom

custardy wrote: »

as is demonstrated in this post
X applies to you,so you see that as important over anyone else
I got overtaken by an old dear on a disabled scooter thing this morning as i walked to the shops pushing the buggy(and Im a fast walker).
I think they should be limited to a walking pace on pavements. Im sure she would disagree
if it relates to how easy mving X weight is,then should manual wheelchairs be more important than powered?

Erm no I don't just see it as important as I am disabled now. When I was younger and perfectly fine I saw how people sat in the wheelchair part and refused to move if they had a buggy or not! It angered the hell out of me as it is a lot easier for the non-disabled person to move/fold the buggy or even get off if that is needed. A disabled person does not have that luxury.

By the way we have some of the older buses around that have a space for wheelchair users with no ramp to get on and for a disabled person to get on and off is certainly a lot harder than someone with a buggy - yes it really does have a wheelchair space as it made me laugh the first time I saw the notice next to it.

When it comes down to it a wheelchair user shouldn't have to worry about getting on a bus because of buggies in a space. It is a different story if it is another wheelchair user but for a buggy? No I have always seen that as wrong and it is getting more and more common. I have been in London and the bus didn't even stop when it was obvious I wanted to get on it. Why? Because there were buggies in the wheelchair space :mad:. I had to wait for another bus which also refused to stop for the same reason. I had to get a cab to get where I needed to go or I would have been late :mad:.

jojo1964

Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »

That is lovely for you but some people have a much longer wait. Some of the bus routes around here areevery 30-60 mins depending on time. If I get to a bus and have to then wait 30-60 mins in my wheelchair I am not going to be happy and neither is my partner. There is another bus stop that we could use instead to go where we usually go but it is quite a distance and at most is every 10mins (due to cuts etc they are talking about putting it at ever 20mins at best :mad::mad:).

Also why should I have to wait because I have a disabled bus pass? My partner comes with me on all bus routes and he pays - same as a mother/farther with a buggy as a baby/child in a buggy goes on for free.

It is much easier for a parent with a buggy to get off and walk than it is for a person pushing a disabled person to push the person or if on their own the disabled person to self propell themselves. People do not realise that it is not easy to push someone in a wheelchair or self propell. Pushing a buggy is MUCH easier.

So you think its acceptable to turf of a mother and buggy because its easier for them to walk, simply to allow you to travel, hardly sounds fair when its put like that.

What if its raining? Dark road? Late at night?

I do feel sorry for those in wheelchairs when they are faced with these problems of getting on a bus, but saying it as you have hardly does you any favours.

jojo1964

Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »

Erm no I don't just see it as important as I am disabled now. When I was younger and perfectly fine I saw how people sat in the wheelchair part and refused to move if they had a buggy or not! It angered the hell out of me as it is a lot easier for the non-disabled person to move/fold the buggy or even get off if that is needed. A disabled person does not have that luxury.

By the way we have some of the older buses around that have a space for wheelchair users with no ramp to get on and for a disabled person to get on and off is certainly a lot harder than someone with a buggy - yes it really does have a wheelchair space as it made me laugh the first time I saw the notice next to it.

When it comes down to it a wheelchair user shouldn't have to worry about getting on a bus because of buggies in a space. It is a different story if it is another wheelchair user but for a buggy? No I have always seen that as wrong and it is getting more and more common. I have been in London and the bus didn't even stop when it was obvious I wanted to get on it. Why? Because there were buggies in the wheelchair space :mad:. I had to wait for another bus which also refused to stop. I had to get a cab to get where I needed to go or I would have been late :mad:.

Bus drivers cant win, a driver i know stopped at a bus stop where a woman was waiting with a buggy, and said to her she would have to fold the buggy, her answer? why the f*** did you stop then.

Doom_and_Gloom

jojo1964 wrote: »

Bus drivers cant win, a driver i know stopped at a bus stop where a woman was waiting with a buggy, and said to her she would have to fold the buggy, her answer? why the f*** did you stop then.

Buggies should be folded down!
If I was a non-disabled mother with a young child using the bus I would fold down the buggy. Why shouldn't buggies be folded down if there is no space otherwise?
Gues what if my partner and I do have children we will have to get a pushchair attchment for the wheelchair. The buggy will get folded down on a bus and the child put on my lap or my partners. There won't be space otherwise. If we have thought about this as something that will have to happen why can't non-disabled parents think about their situation?

jojo1964

Doom_and_Gloom wrote: »

Buggies should be folded down!
If I was a non-disabled mother with a young child using the bus I would fold down the buggy. Why shouldn't buggies be folded down if there is no space otherwise?
Gues what if my partner and I do have children we will have to get a pushchair attchment for the wheelchair. The buggy will get folded down on a bus and the child put on my lap or my partners. There won't be space otherwise. If we have thought about this as something that will have to happen why can't non-disabled parents think about their situation?

Ok, but when i talk about buggies, i could be referring to Prams, double buggies, buggies with a lot of shopping loaded underneath, things that are not easily folded, or stored, or even able to be folded, i agree that buggies easily folded should be folded to allow a wheelchair user to board, but things are not always that simple.

jojo_2012_2

My favourite pram/bus related thing is when people hang big bags off the handles then ram it down the middle of the isle nearly ripping peoples arms off who dare to be an inch or 2 over the edge of the seat:rotfl:they never apologise either.

I'm due a baby in January, and although I'm a driver it'll likely be a c-section and I'll be uninsured for 6 weeks in which case I will be putting my newborn in one of these on the bus http://www.family-wellness.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/MobyWrap11.jpg

jojo_2012_2

Oh and anyone who says fold up a buggy on the bus while holding a baby who hasn't actually tried it needs to !!!!!!. It's hard. A bit of common decency and respect for others space is whats needed. Maybe we need more buggy and wheelchair space as it sounds like theres not a lot.

Helix

jojo_2012 wrote: »

Oh and anyone who says fold up a buggy on the bus while holding a baby who hasn't actually tried it needs to !!!!!!. It's hard. A bit of common decency and respect for others space is whats needed. Maybe we need more buggy and wheelchair space as it sounds like theres not a lot.

They already take up around 20% of the space in the bus on most single deckers. I don't think it needs in be increased unless the number of wheelchair users on buses increases, we shouldn't increase it just because people can't be bothered to fold up buggies and prams.