Prams on buses

Mupette

custardy wrote: »

well in your day there was probably no wheelchair spaces either
so perhaps you should think yourself lucky you get the "luxury" of that

custardy wrote: »

where did I say a wheelchair is a luxury?
you seem to think because you didnt have the use of a pram space,nobody should.
given buses havent had wheelchair spaces until relatively recently. whats the difference?
why should it be different?
its your argument that you put forward. simply replacing pram with wheelchair

don't think for one minute I will shy away from a subject because its seen as un PC.
I have a good friend in a wheelchair but he simply gets on with life as he can.
having a disability doesnt give you the right to dictate that others shouldnt have X because you didnt in your time.

Perhaps you are the one that needs to stop dictating on here what people are trying to say..

my point i am trying to make, and if i am not making it clear then i am sorry but that is part of my disability..

IF a wheelchair user needs a space and it is taken up by parents with buggies, who (if possible) can fold their buggies up that would be great,

BUT through personal experiences, (not my m8, or i heard it from, or i read it in the daily mail) it doesnt always happen, lots of parents with buggies won't move for a disabled user..

i am not twisting my words, but you seem to be twisting my words...why, got a problem?

jojo1964

mumps wrote: »

Perhaps it would be cheaper not to adapt the buses and tell mothers (or fathers) that if the space is needed for a wheelchair they must vacate the space.

And if they refuse? in our area the local press have a real downer on bus drivers, and i can imagine the headlines now.

" Bus driver throws pregnant mum and toddler of bus"

Conveniently glossing over the facts of the situation.

Think about it, how would you deal with a situation where a buggy owner is asked to fold it up and vacate the space, and refuses?

custardy

jojo1964 wrote: »

As a driver myself, we are told that if a buggy or pram is already in the buggy/wheelchair space, and a wheelchair user wishes to board we have to ask the person with the buggy if they would mind folding it, if they refuse then we have to explain to the wheelchair user that we are unable to accomodate them, this has to be said loud enough to be picked up on the recording equipment and to be clearly heard by the wheelchair user, unfortunately we have a couple of professional "victims" who use wheelchairs, who know their "rights" and know to be out of range of the recording equipment, whilst verbally abusing the drivers ( and have successfully sued one company, and are in the process of suing another), it has come to the point that the company i work for are adapting all the buses to have 2 spaces for buggies and wheelchair users, one space to be shared and the other can be used by a buggy, but MUST be vacated if a wheelchair user boards.

Mupette wrote: »

Perhaps you are the one that needs to stop dictating on here what people are trying to say..

my point i am trying to make, and if i am not making it clear then i am sorry but that is part of my disability..

IF a wheelchair user needs a space and it is taken up by parents with buggies, who (if possible) can fold their buggies up that would be great,

BUT through personal experiences, (not my m8, or i heard it from, or i read it in the daily mail) it doesnt always happen, lots of parents with buggies won't move for a disabled user..

i am not twisting my words, but you seem to be twisting my words...why, got a problem?

and as a regular bus user Im yet it see that happen.
I often cross th city by bus and make sub 5 mile journeys on mainly single deckers(so 1 shared space)

If I had a problem,what exactly would you do about it?
try and stick to the facts and dont bother getting aggressive doll

mumps

custardy wrote: »

your company really needs to look at their rules.
for me LRT have it right

http://lothianbuses.com/what-we-do/easy-access.html



folks will also note non folding prams are not allowed on the buses either. I have seen them refused entry ot buses(to much kerfuffle)

The photo on your link is interesting, I think it confirms what I suspected about my MILs problem. The space is for the buggy, fair enough, the seat isn't reserved for the adult with the buggy, at least not according to the letter my MIL had.

custardy

mumps wrote: »

The photo on your link is interesting, I think it confirms what I suspected about my MILs problem. The space is for the buggy, fair enough, the seat isn't reserved for the adult with the buggy, at least not according to the letter my MIL had.

theres various types with LRT
the single deckers will often have no seat compared to that pic
if there is a seat there then it would be one of the "free up fo elderly" etc seats. these are pretty well self policed by bus users

mumps

jojo1964 wrote: »

And if they refuse? in our area the local press have a real downer on bus drivers, and i can imagine the headlines now.

" Bus driver throws pregnant mum and toddler of bus"

Conveniently glossing over the facts of the situation.

Think about it, how would you deal with a situation where a buggy owner is asked to fold it up and vacate the space, and refuses?

Put the brake on and tell them they won't be going anywhere until they do. I think the other passengers would encourage them to comply.

Nicki

I hadn't understood the issue to be asking the elderly/disabled person to move so the mum could sit down. I understood it to be asking them to move so the pushchair can fit in the space provided. Certainly when I take my pushchair on the bus there is not usually room to sit in the space alongside the buggy.

If that is what happened to your MIL it is clearly wrong, as the mother with the baby in the pushchair can stand just as well as any other passenger on the bus. But if your MIL was preventing the pushchair getting on the bus at all by sitting where she was, and there were other accessible seats she could use but was choosing not to, then I do think she ought to have sat elsewhere. I know that you disagree with this, and I have read and thought about what you have said but it is still my opinion

mumps

custardy wrote: »

theres various types with LRT
the single deckers will often have no seat compared to that pic
if there is a seat there then it would be one of the "free up fo elderly" etc seats. these are pretty well self policed by bus users

So that seat is OK for disabled or elderly to use? I think people have got a bit confused as I think it is the seats there is an issue with not the buggy space except for wheelchair users who would need the space not the seat. Can you see what I mean, it would be unreasonable for a young mom like the one in the picture to get on a bus, park her buggy in that space and then tell the elderly lady on that seat to move as it was her seat because she had a buggy?

jojo1964

mumps wrote: »

The photo on your link is interesting, I think it confirms what I suspected about my MILs problem. The space is for the buggy, fair enough, the seat isn't reserved for the adult with the buggy, at least not according to the letter my MIL had.

That is correct,if the space for the buggy is available, it can be used, but the seats are not specifically for the parents, in fact they state that he seats are for the elderly or infirm.

Now if anyone could answer, what would anyone do if somebody with a buggy refused to fold it to allow somebody with a wheelchair to board?

Also i have been personally sworn at on many an occasion by mothers (mainly) but occasionally fathers, simply for telling them the buggy they are trying to board with will have to be folded because there is already a buggy on the bus.

jojo1964

mumps wrote: »

Put the brake on and tell them they won't be going anywhere until they do. I think the other passengers would encourage them to comply.

Really, how often do you see members of the public step in, it doesnt happen here, i can assure you.