competitionscafe wrote: »
There are no magic ingredients and everything on the fake news sites is just rubbish/lies made up by affiliate marketers to promote lead generation offers for scummy affiliate networks.
The combining 2 products thing is just so that they make twice as much money when you order both.
Here is how these scams work:
Affiliates of scummy affiliate networks make fake news sites (fake testimonials, fake story, fake everything) - these fake news sites are all over the web:
For every "free trial" order, the affiliates get paid a commission of up to $40 by the scam company. The affiliate network acts as a middleman and gets a cut too. So say $35 to the affiliate and $10 to the network = $45.
In reality they charge the victim around $80 for each "free trial" so after paying the affiliate and affiliate network, they are left with about half that as profit: $35 to $40 . Then they still have to refund a few customers who complain enough to get their banks to force a refund (chargebacks etc).
So all 3 parties in these scams make a nice profit and the consumer loses out. The scam company (selling the product) simply changes the product name once the complaints get too high and starts again with another website and product name. Rinse and repeat.
The affiliates know it's a scam, the affiliate networks know it's a scam and the scam company obviously knows it's a scam.
:ACompetitonsafe:A, thank you.
I admit, I'm totally out of my depth. It really has been beyond my imagination and comprehension that so many intelligent people, all over the world, could come together and invest so much time, money and resources to put together something that was rotten to the core from the bottom up, and successfully convince so many legitimate businesses with huge anti corruption and fraud investigation depts like google, credit card companies and banks to service their crimes. It's mind blowing. If anything the scale of this makes it look legit.
There has been moments when things appeared odd and suspicious, such as when I couldn't find the face creams sold anywhere else. But it never crossed my mind the products were bogus to start off with. To think that behind this there are professional chemists, computer programmers, accountants, manufacturers, patent and intellectual property lawyers. This is international big business of a type that's never been known before.
Ironically, seeing the facebook listing of Daniel Treisman that you posted showing him playing with his children on the sofa and listing himself proudly as the CEO of Guru Media, made me think, maybe he doesn't know that the call centres he's contracted to manage CS payments and refunds are pulling some fast ones to up their commission! I know, Duh! (Interesting he's removed his relationship to Guru Media but under interests he's listed Ads4Dough! Says it all really.) :doh:
Let's face it, if you bought booze from a bootlegger in the prohibition era, you knew it was illegal to make, transport, sell, own and drink it, but you did get drunk. If you didn't, the speakeasy went out of business. You knew what you were getting into, and most of the time you knew the risks and it was your judgement call. It was fairly transparent. This is something else entirely. This is an industry that plays mainly on peoples fears to engage them in complicated financial contracts that are difficult to get out of and then I've discovered, sells products that are harmful (seems the teeth whitening and colon cleanse stuff is) and then sells on your contact information to further screw up your life by repeating the process by sending you different 'samples'. I can't find words to describe this. It like an industrialised psychopathy. _pale_
It's ironic this thread is in the low spend freebies board! I really think this whole industry needs a board of it's own as it seems these issues have repeatedly come up on MSE but each under the title of a specific scam. There needs to be a sturdier platform to both educate and advise on this practice. I think it also needs a TV journalist to set up a special investigation on this, urgently.
competitionscafe wrote: »
ReLift XS appears to have an address in Utah USA (aka US state capital of scams!)
ReLift XS LLC
12278 S Lone Peak Parkway, Suite 106
Draper, UT 84020
That's probably just a mailbox/maildrop though as it seems to be used by several companies.
Another US company is taking legal action against YKnot Holdings LLC for breach of contract and the list of defendants is: Kenneth W Bell, Robert Brett Bell, Christian R Larsen, YKnot Holdings, LLC, Six Marketing, LLC and Mark Bell - all names linked with the Pacific Webworks scam as they were also named in the Google lawsuit.
jaybird66 wrote: »
Yes I am also another sucker who fell for the scam and really I should know better!
I have paid today for the offer (2.95) and there was no terms and conditions box to tick but went back into the site and scrolled down to the bottom to see the terms and conditions at the bottom- in very small print) so read them and then research a little more and reading about the scam here.
I think I need to cancel asap and can someone advise is calling from the UK what is the number I need to call to cancel.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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