RevitaDerm, Revitol, Perfect Radiance?

edited 22 March 2012 at 2:08PM in Praise, Vent & Warnings
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  • gusso wrote: »
    i actually want to cry im sooooo stupid!!!!!!!!!!

    I know exactly how you feel because I feel exactly the same.

    So far, I've only paid the p&p but as I live on incapacity benefit and DLA with a DMP of £100 pm, the thought of someone taking £80 out of my account, or even multiples of it has me walking around with tears building up in my eyes. I know I'll get the money back eventually from my bank but knowing all my DD ans SO will be knocked out like dominoes costing about £20 a time has me checking my bank account about every half an hour so if need be I can do some damage limitation.

    I had a significant family bereavement in September, and I've created all this stress for myself, just because I wanted a bit of a cosmetic perk-up before my birthday in December. I'll be 59.

    You would really think that by now, I'd have more sense. So you're not alone.
    :cool: Chillout5892
    :smileyheaDMP PayPlan £17,652 @£100 pm > June 2027.
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    They either go hard or soft in the wrong places.
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  • competitionscafecompetitionscafe Forumite
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    Well I went back to the page to see if I missed these 'honest' declarations and some strange things are happening to the original magazine 'page'.

    Times Inside News Report - The $5 Wrinkle Therapy That Has Doctors Fuming

    A Whois lookup shows that website is owned by GMI Ltd with an address in Israel:
    http://whois.domaintools.com/consumerproductsdaily.co.uk

    A bit of Googling shows that GMI Ltd = Guru Media (International) Limited - this website gives their name and address as:
    Guru Media
    Daniel Treisman
    Email: [email protected]
    Phone: 972 58 483 196
    http://www.facebook.com/treisman
    Guru Media, Jacob Markowitz
    Phone: 1-310-402-2779
    http://www.gurumedia.biz/company/
    and a list of their other websites (mostly lots of other fake news sites) at: http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-800-672-2259
    "The happiest of people don't necessarily have the
    best of everything; they just make the best
    of everything that comes along their way."
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  • edited 6 November 2011 at 1:03AM
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    edited 6 November 2011 at 1:03AM
    I fell for this as well, but these companies are now using new names. Juveneu and ReLift XS.

    ReLift XS appears to have an address in Utah USA (aka US state capital of scams!)

    ReLift XS LLC
    12278 S Lone Peak Parkway, Suite 106
    Draper, UT 84020
    That's probably just a mailbox/maildrop though as it seems to be used by several companies.

    A reverse ip on one of their websites (reliftcs.com) shows a whole bunch of african mango slim and colon cleanse rubbish etc but also a website/company called: http://yknotholdings.com/ Yknot Holdings LLC in Salt Lake City Utah. Phone (800) 232-3821 / (801) 596-1111 / (801) 451-2617 Address: 12 E Joy Dr, Farmington, UT (from BBB).

    The registered agent of Yknot Holdings LLC is named as a Kenneth W. Bell - which is very interesting as somebody with that exact same name and also from Salt Lake City Utah was CEO of a company called Pacific Webworks, which was sued by Google for promoting a work from home scam! One of their websites (emergencyfoodnow.com) which also has billing complaints is registered to Marc Bell who happens to be the son of Kenneth W. Bell and is also Director of Marketing at Pacific WebWorks.

    http://strangelyperfect.tv/5146/more-on-google-profits-and-pacific-webworks/

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Pacific+WebWorks+scam

    http://garwarner.blogspot.com/2009/12/google-jobs-scam-read-fine-print.html

    Another US company is taking legal action against YKnot Holdings LLC for breach of contract and the list of defendants is: Kenneth W Bell, Robert Brett Bell, Christian R Larsen, YKnot Holdings, LLC, Six Marketing, LLC and Mark Bell - all names linked with the Pacific Webworks scam as they were also named in the Google lawsuit.
    "The happiest of people don't necessarily have the
    best of everything; they just make the best
    of everything that comes along their way."
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  • competitionscafecompetitionscafe Forumite
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    I would strongly recommend that anyone who has been scammed by any of the above companies fills in this FTC online complaint form:
    https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?lang=en

    The FTC can take legal action against companies using deceptive marketing practices and force them to refund victims. For example, they are currently taking legal action against other similar 'free trial' scams. However they usually only act once they receive a number of complaints so the more complaints they get the more likely they are to investigate. The online form only takes about 10 minutes to fill in and you can cut and paste any info from here to add to your complaint.
    "The happiest of people don't necessarily have the
    best of everything; they just make the best
    of everything that comes along their way."
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  • Yes Lew, terms and conditions are all very well if they are clearly dispalyed on the website. But this company is a SCAM! They do not display T&C's clearly, at least not when I signed up. I checked the entire page and no T&C's stating subsequent payment would be taken from my account and this is the only reason that I went ahead with the trial. However I have come across a different site from the one that I used which does state T&C's. They must have numerous sites online.
  • edited 9 November 2011 at 12:47PM
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    edited 9 November 2011 at 12:47PM
    Also, Lloyds TSB seem to be the most incompetent bank I have ever come across. My friend was the victim of the same scam and she banks with Natwest. Upon reporting it to them they ensured that the scammers no longer had access to her account and were not able to take anymore money out. They are also in the process of getting her money back. However, when I reported the exact same scam to Lloyds TSB they said that they weren't able to stop this company taking any more money out. I said so basically what you're telling me is that you are going to allow this company to take money out of my account whenever they like? And her repsonse, in amongst a load of legal jargon was that they could take they money but don't worry we will try to get it back! I couldn't believe what I was hearing! So basically my account is lying open to these fraudsters to take whatever they want whenever they want and Lloyds TSB aren't willing to do anything about it? And the worst thing is, Lloyds are well aware of these exact scammers, the woman on the phone knew about them and when I went in branch the lady at the desk said "oh yes we had another gentleman in about the same thing yesterday, a skincare product, it's a well known scam". Well why the hell isn't a fraud alert pulled up everytime this company tries to take money from people's account Lloyds?? I wonder if there is any action I can take against Lloyds TSB itself for allowing known fraudsters to access my account...

    It's so easy to change banks these days, as soon as my wages, DD's etc sorted out I will be changing to another bank.
  • There is no way about it, the actions of these companies that offer free trials and then swipe multiples of @£80 out of your account is totally reprehensible. I think I've got away with it, just paying the p&p and cancelled when I realised I couldn't use it for medical reasons, high BP and kidney disease. Wish I could have read that before I paid, however, I've cancelled my debit card, been in touch with Nationwide, got my visa purchase dispute form ready just in case.

    But, I just can't stop wondering, for anyone who did get the products, did they work as well as claimed? Did you lose 20 years of ageing? Five? six months? It would be a real shame if the stuff worked but because of their greed it's lost all credibility. Seems a stroke of genius that the woman mixed 2 and got such brilliant results with samples. I can't find what the magic ingredients are so can't find them in other creams sold more conventionally. Can anyone help?
    :cool: Chillout5892
    :smileyheaDMP PayPlan £17,652 @£100 pm > June 2027.
    Women don't mature.
    They either go hard or soft in the wrong places.
    Simone de Beauvoir
  • edited 11 November 2011 at 5:58PM
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    edited 11 November 2011 at 5:58PM
    There is no way about it, the actions of these companies that offer free trials and then swipe multiples of @£80 out of your account is totally reprehensible.

    But, I just can't stop wondering, for anyone who did get the products, did they work as well as claimed? Did you lose 20 years of ageing? Five? six months? It would be a real shame if the stuff worked but because of their greed it's lost all credibility. Seems a stroke of genius that the woman mixed 2 and got such brilliant results with samples. I can't find what the magic ingredients are so can't find them in other creams sold more conventionally. Can anyone help?

    There are no magic ingredients and everything on the fake news sites is just rubbish/lies made up by affiliate marketers to promote lead generation offers for scummy affiliate networks.

    The combining 2 products thing is just so that they make twice as much money when you order both.

    Here is how these scams work:

    Affiliates of scummy affiliate networks make fake news sites (fake testimonials, fake story, fake everything) - these fake news sites are all over the web:

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/fake_news
    http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/04/fakenews.shtm
    http://www.technewsworld.com/story/73298.html

    For every "free trial" order, the affiliates get paid a commission of up to $40 by the scam company. The affiliate network acts as a middleman and gets a cut too. So say $35 to the affiliate and $10 to the network = $45.

    Examples of scammy affiliate companies promoting these products:
    Hydroxatone
    Juveneu
    Perfect Radiance

    So it can only ever be a scam because just to to break even, the scam company has to make at least $45 from every free trial. In reality they charge the victim around $80 for each "free trial" so after paying the affiliate and affiliate network, they are left with about half that as profit: $35 to $40 . Then they still have to refund a few customers who complain enough to get their banks to force a refund (chargebacks etc).

    So all 3 parties in these scams make a nice profit and the consumer loses out. The scam company (selling the product) simply changes the product name once the complaints get too high and starts again with another website and product name. Rinse and repeat.

    The affiliates know it's a scam, the affiliate networks know it's a scam and the scam company obviously knows it's a scam.

    One company doing this allegedly made nearly half a billion dollars ( $450 million) from free trial scams: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/05/jessewillms.shtm

    The affiliates and affiliate companies who promoted the scam offers would probably have made as much again. So that's nearly 1 billion dollars just from the various "free trial" offers of one company! (They changed products, company names, product names and websites several times as complaints mounted up).

    If the stuff really worked these companies would not offer hit and run/ fly by night websites aimed at conning people into buying. They would create one brand name and website and offer genuine free (or low cost) samples, knowing that people would willingly come back and order more and recommend the product to others. If it worked of course. But these products don't work, so they don't do that, they just scam people instead.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505144_162-36941329/nations-top-scam-free-trial-offer/?!!!!!mwuser

    http://strangelyperfect.tv/6568/dangerous-effectivecleanse-and-scams-too/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlNdPOfddjE
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  • catnap2catnap2 Forumite
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    I have been caught out to and feel so stupid! Received my credit card statement yesterday and they have taken £370. My credit card company have said that they will stop any future payments. I have contacted Revita Derm on 0808 1683685, and cancelled subscription. I think as with others they will try and continue to take my money!

    Please report this to Action Fraud. If like me, not only have they taken your money, but have not sent you the subsequent products as well, this is fraud as you have not received what you have paid for. You will get some support and advice from them and a Crime Reference Number which will help you to get your money refunded from your bank or credit card. Their number is 0300 1232040.

    This company has a uk address but is worldwide and I think it is run from Cypress. They have used the 'pay for postage only, free trial' tactic whilst entering you unwittengly into a subscription on many different products (usually health and beauty), for many years.

    Good luck all in getting your money back!
  • Excellent summary of the grievous "industry" at work behind this whole scammy facade, @CompetitionCafe. This should be distributed as a template answer for anyone who's suffered at the hands of these charlatans.
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