Lied to Jobseekers

donnajunkie

sick2death wrote: »

Not really?

Alright, theres a big difference, but the point is the same. Just because you can get away with something, doesnt mean you should.

Anyway, this threads going nowhere. Each to their own!

ok i will try and show what i mean.
an employee who pinches the odd few minutes isnt something that should be judged harshly. an employee who regularly finishes a few hours early because the boss is out should be judged harshly.
an unemployed person who has one holiday shouldnt be judged harshly but an unemployed person who regularly takes holidays should be judged harshly.
disclaimer for the mods. i am not telling anyone to do anything. this is just my opinion.

Jomo

donnajunkie wrote: »

again i have not been boasting that i only do the minimum. i have stated that is all dwp require of people.
why shouldnt people jobsearch on holiday if they want to?

Sad...sad, sad, sad, sad sad sad!!

sick2death

donnajunkie wrote: »

ok i will try and show what i mean.
an employee who pinches the odd few minutes isnt something that should be judged harshly. an employee who regularly finishes a few hours early because the boss is out should be judged harshly.
an unemployed person who has one holiday shouldnt be judged harshly but an unemployed person who regularly takes holidays should be judged harshly.
disclaimer for the mods. i am not telling anyone to do anything. this is just my opinion.

I get what your saying, but, theres no shades of grey here, its black or white.

Its like comparing stealing £5 to stealing £500. The first is alright, because its not much, steal the second, and you will spend an eternity in hell!

Or speeding. If you do 41 in a 40, you are breaking the law. You MAY get away with it, but you are still breaking the law.

Personally, I wouldnt judge anyone, employed or not, on how many holidays they have, but for the purpose of JSA, its black or white, you either have them, or you dont.

donnajunkie

sick2death wrote: »

I get what your saying, but, theres no shades of grey here, its black or white.

Its like comparing stealing £5 to stealing £500. The first is alright, because its not much, steal the second, and you will spend an eternity in hell!

Or speeding. If you do 41 in a 40, you are breaking the law. You MAY get away with it, but you are still breaking the law.

Personally, I wouldnt judge anyone, employed or not, on how many holidays they have, but for the purpose of JSA, its black or white, you either have them, or you dont.

i suspect alot of people pinch a few minutes when they can. i also suspect the majority of people dont go around stealing £5.

sick2death

What about, if you worked for a company whose only employees were yourself and the owner. The owner goes away, say on a world cruise. You decide to take a week off, but dont tell him, because, he never checks, and he'll never know. Besides, you could always check the odd work email whilst sat on the beach in Spain.

Is this fine, because, he'll never find out? Of course not! Its wrong because your being paid to do a job, which whilst on holiday your not doing.

Replace the owner of the company for the DWP, and the principles are the same.

if only 1% of people on JSA share your view, and decide not to inform the DWP when they go on holiday (based on JSA of £50 p/w - one holiday per year) there would be over £700,000 paid in JSA to people, who according to the DWP, would not be entitled to. Bit more than a fiver.

donnajunkie

sick2death wrote: »

What about, if you worked for a company whose only employees were yourself and the owner. The owner goes away, say on a world cruise. You decide to take a week off, but dont tell him, because, he never checks, and he'll never know. Besides, you could always check the odd work email whilst sat on the beach in Spain.

Is this fine, because, he'll never find out? Of course not! Its wrong because your being paid to do a job, which whilst on holiday your not doing.

Replace the owner of the company for the DWP, and the principles are the same.

if only 1% of people on JSA share your view, and decide not to inform the DWP when they go on holiday (based on JSA of £50 p/w - one holiday per year) there would be over £700,000 paid in JSA to people, who according to the DWP, would not be entitled to. Bit more than a fiver.

dwp dont make money from claimants. they pay out the 65 quid wherever the claimant may be. an employer makes money out of their employees efforts. if the employee goes away then the employer is not making any money.
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sick2death

Obviously.

By you (hypothetically) going on holiday, you would be having a direct impact on your bosses income/profit. By someone on JSA going on holiday, you would be having a direct effect on the DWP expenditure. If the DWP has less to pay out, the benefits are obvious.

donnajunkie

sick2death wrote: »

Obviously.

By you (hypothetically) going on holiday, you would be having a direct impact on your bosses income/profit. By someone on JSA going on holiday, you would be having a direct effect on the DWP expenditure. If the DWP has less to pay out, the benefits are obvious.

yes if someone goes away outside of the uk and tells dwp they will save dwp money. you arent considering the fact that people simply wouldnt go away if they couldnt do so without being found out. so it is impossible for dwp to save money from people going away.

skintandscared_2

donnajunkie wrote: »

yes if someone goes away outside of the uk and tells dwp they will save dwp money. you arent considering the fact that people simply wouldnt go away if they couldnt do so without being found out. so it is impossible for dwp to save money from people going away.

I'm sorry, but I really do think that if you can't live without £65 then no, you shouldn't go away.

Gleeful

Aren't you long term unemployed though DonnaJunkie? Perhaps it's time to do more than the bare minimum......

I don't think this thread will encourage anybody, as it's clear that by behaving like that, you may as well get used to your £65 a week.