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  • donnajunkie
    donnajunkie Posts: 32,412 Forumite
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    edited 10 August 2011 at 9:55PM
    What are you talking about?
    there have been complaints. apparently i am out of order for asking people to stop being holier than thou but its ok for people to call me stupid, idiot and bonkers. despite the fact that i have only mentioned how people get around the rule that is enough to be deemed as telling people to do it and prevent them from making their own mind up. people continue to call it fraud and have no doubt complained that what i said was suggesting fraud despite the fact that people which commit fraud get prosecuted and no-one gets prosecuted for the rule break that was discussed.
    so i leave people in their bliss.
  • there have been complaints. apparently i am out of order for asking people to stop being holier than thou but its ok for people to call me stupid, idiot and bonkers. despite the fact that i have only mentioned how people get around the rule that is enough to be deemed as telling people to do it and prevent them from making their own mind up. people continue to call it fraud and have no doubt complained that what i said was suggesting fraud despite the fact that people which commit fraud get prosecuted and no-one gets prosectured for the rule break that was discussed.
    so i leave people in their bliss.

    Oh I see. People have different opinions. They always will. I think people's exasperation with you is just that you see it as "getting around a rule" when actually it's "breaking the law", whether you get away with it or not... But the last few days have shown there are probably more important things in life to worry about than £65... ;)
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  • ikati5
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    This thread is surely out of date now, the op was seeing the benefit adviser last week. If we could have an update it would be helpful for other jobseekers planning a sojourn, assuming she wasn't sent to prison for 6 months for pleasure seeking while destitute!
  • donnajunkie
    donnajunkie Posts: 32,412 Forumite
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    Oh I see. People have different opinions. They always will. I think people's exasperation with you is just that you see it as "getting around a rule" when actually it's "breaking the law", whether you get away with it or not... But the last few days have shown there are probably more important things in life to worry about than £65... ;)
    its all about perspective and common sense. should employees who pinch a few extra minutes at break time when the boss is out be slagged off as fraudsters?
    ok i really must resist posting here.
  • donnajunkie
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    ikati5 wrote: »
    This thread is surely out of date now, the op was seeing the benefit adviser last week. If we could have an update it would be helpful for other jobseekers planning a sojourn, assuming she wasn't sent to prison for 6 months for pleasure seeking while destitute!
    unless the person they saw was feeling kind they would have got sanctioned i suspect.
  • its all about perspective and common sense. should employees who pinch a few extra minutes at break time when the boss is out be slagged off as fraudsters?
    ok i really must resist posting here.

    No, but they should be prepared to accept the consequenses of their actions, which could result in dismissal.

    Employees sign their contracts, basically agreeing (for example) to a 1 hour unpaid lunch break.

    People on JSA agree to be activley looking for work, so should also be prepared to face the consequences of their actions if they fail to do so.
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  • donnajunkie
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    sick2death wrote: »
    No, but they should be prepared to accept the consequenses of their actions, which could result in dismissal.

    Employees sign their contracts, basically agreeing (for example) to a 1 hour unpaid lunch break.

    People on JSA agree to be activley looking for work, so should also be prepared to face the consequences of their actions if they fail to do so.
    i agree if someone is caught then they have to face the consequences simply because the rules says so. that does not mean i have a low opinion of the employee who pinches a few extra minutes and see them as a criminal.
  • being caught is irrelevent.

    Just because you can get away with something doesnt mean you should do it, just you could, its up to your morals if you do or dont.

    Take the looters in London for example. Im sure, despite the hundreds of arrests, just as many will of gotten away with it - does this make it ok?
    My drinking club has a rugby problem
  • donnajunkie
    donnajunkie Posts: 32,412 Forumite
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    sick2death wrote: »
    being caught is irrelevent.

    Just because you can get away with something doesnt mean you should do it, just you could, its up to your morals if you do or dont.

    Take the looters in London for example. Im sure, despite the hundreds of arrests, just as many will of gotten away with it - does this make it ok?
    again its all about perspective and common sense.
  • Not really?

    Alright, theres a big difference, but the point is the same. Just because you can get away with something, doesnt mean you should.

    Anyway, this threads going nowhere. Each to their own!
    My drinking club has a rugby problem
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