Lied to Jobseekers

Jomo

donnajunkie wrote: »

because the unemployed person didnt choose to be unemployed but your husband chose to be self employed knowing that meant no holiday pay.
as far as spending goes it really does depend on the holiday. it is also possible that someone else could be covering the spending costs. whether someone can afford to go away has nothing to do with whether they should be allowed to have a break away.

Tough titties, if you are unemployed you aren't destitute...be thankful and put more effort into your jobsearch, not the minimum you keep boasting you do.

Don't whinge about a simple and understandable rule when taking a holiday...which is what it is...a holiday. You shouldn't be jobseeking on holiday...capiche?

skintandscared_2

donnajunkie wrote: »

because the unemployed person didnt choose to be unemployed but your husband chose to be self employed knowing that meant no holiday pay.
as far as spending goes it really does depend on the holiday. it is also possible that someone else could be covering the spending costs. whether someone can afford to go away has nothing to do with whether they should be allowed to have a break away.

You really don't get it do you. My overall point about the holiday money is that we factor in our circumstances and make the appropriate financial arrangements to cover it. We plan ahead so we can afford the break, and still afford to eat when we get home.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what I think, or what you think. What matters is the law - which says that if you go abroad on holiday you're not entitled to JSA during that period. End of. And whether you like it or not, a lot of people think that is very fair.

donnajunkie

Bogof_Babe wrote: »

Problem with that is, what's to stop someone swanning off to some exotic location for a few months claiming they are "job seeking"? Few months becomes couple of years, and they are still picking up their Giro from the local branch of Bank of Bermuda.

Meanwhile DWP can't get hold of them as they are not on the phone and their mobile does not accept overseas calls.

You have to have rules or those who abuse priviledges will be first on the plane or boat rubbing their factor 30 on as they leave.

i agree people cant be able to keep going away on a regular basis. however i do wonder how many people do break the rules just because of jobsearch activity. well there maybe people who regularly get job interviews outside of the area. so have more than 10 interviews over the year outside of the area and you are breaking your jsa agreement.

donnajunkie

Anubis wrote: »

Your post didn't seem that way so was very easily misunderstood by many on here.

No one is saying that the unemployed are not entitled to holidays.

What they are saying is IF you choose to go abroad, then don't expect to be paid JSA (which would likely be used for spending money.) and follow the JSA rules by signing off, then making a rapid reclaim upon return.

It's not rocket science.

yes but the reasons people say people shouldnt be able to go abroad is the journey time would be alot longer than the journey from a location in the uk. this is clearly not true in all cases. the fact that people are allowed 2 weeks away suggests that the dwp acknowledge that everyone should be able to have a break. they only put requirements in there to stop the middle classes kicking off. they know very well that people dont do jobsearch while away. they know very well that people are very unlikely to be required to come back for an interview. so the rules exist as they are just to keep certain people happy.

donnajunkie

soothyerboots wrote: »

Well at the end of the day, if you are "getting around the rule", then you are a fraudster and a thief, and I hope you get punished.

Wastrel.

all getting around the rule means is the person doesnt fill in a form that the jobcentre tucks away and forgets about and they dont have to use up a jobcentre workers time reporting back afterwards. if you have an issue with this you need to get a life.

donnajunkie

Jomo wrote: »

Your stupidity is astounding....

It really is.

no stupidity lies with anyone who thinks that is incorrect.

donnajunkie

Jomo wrote: »

No, the point is....should people be able to claim a job seeking benefit which includes being available for interviews at the drop of a hat while being on holiday OUT OF THE COUNTRY where it would seem attending an interview would be very difficult!!

it can also be difficult from within the uk. the dwp know people like yourself arent smart enough to realise this. they have constructed the rule so that it does enough to keep people like yourself happy and ate the same time still allows people to have some sort of a break.

donnajunkie

Jomo wrote: »

You may only do the 'minimum' but those who want to work do a lot more, believe me;)

i didnt say that was all i do. i said thats all anyone is required to do legally. anyone who does that is not commiting fraud.

donnajunkie

Jomo wrote: »

Holiday cut short...

Additional return fares to fork out....

You might as well sign off!!

that is true if it is likely to happen. but again the jobcentre never phones people that is the only way people are required to come back. they clearly tell people this when they fill in the form they say you only have to come back if we call you about a job.

donnajunkie

Jomo wrote: »

Tough titties, if you are unemployed you aren't destitute...be thankful and put more effort into your jobsearch, not the minimum you keep boasting you do.

Don't whinge about a simple and understandable rule when taking a holiday...which is what it is...a holiday. You shouldn't be jobseeking on holiday...capiche?

again i have not been boasting that i only do the minimum. i have stated that is all dwp require of people.
why shouldnt people jobsearch on holiday if they want to?