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rachbc

ceridwen wrote: »

Well - as a point of information - each child that is in State education costs at least £4,000 pa to the State (ie all of us). Also - our taxes are to cover all sorts of things - not just child benefit/etc. They also cover: the NHS, defence (:cool:), road maintenance, etc, etc. So - actually people have to pay a LOT more in tax than they get back again in benefit to be "paying their way".

and most children who are educated by the state go on to pay much more than that in the course of their lives in tax as well as provide essential services through their work - so that £4k is a more than worthwhile investment dontcha think?

oldtractor

Agricultural subsidies make all this look like chicken feed. A friend of mine with a 200 acre farm has had nearly £200,000 in EU subsidies over the last 15 years or so. All because he has a hill farm,farming isnt profitable in the uplands ,its a less favoured area, so the government thinks its a good idea to pay him lots of money to breed stock and sell then at less than it costs him. its a crazy system. ETA he has children and claims tax credits and a guy in our village who has a pub pays himself minimum wage and then takes bonus at the year end so avoiding income tax. he owns 3 houses and sends his kid to private school and pays less tax than my husband who is a lorry driver earning less than 20k per year. its a mad system. another couple here run a horse stabling business,all cash in hand,and 3 other businesses,they have just bought a small holding,their earnings are not a lot on paper ,but the tax credits for their 3 kids all add up. its all a mess and people like me and mine trying to live decently get screwed all the time.

LegalBlonde

i clicked the link to pigpen's debt free wannabe post, i didn't read past the first page but all it made me think was everyone on these forums were much nicer in 2007 as they didn't jump on the bandwagon of pointing out her benefits, but just asked why her electric bill was so high....makes me

delain

LegalBlonde wrote: »

i clicked the link to pigpen's debt free wannabe post, i didn't read past the first page but all it made me think was everyone on these forums were much nicer in 2007 as they didn't jump on the bandwagon of pointing out her benefits, but just asked why her electric bill was so high....makes me

Unfortunately because of the financial crash, a lot of this has been whipped up recently. People are sore because they have negative equity or have been made redundant and take it out on those who they've always looked down on for not being homeowners and suddenly see them with more freedom to move (even for jobs) and more financial security, get upset and claim people with larger families are robbing them.

If you think this is bad, stay out of discussion time :eek:

I find it sad that a lot of people on MSE look down on others, tolerance is not something that remains in many places these days.

patchwork_cat

oldtractor wrote: »

Agricultural subsidies make all this look like chicken feed. A friend of mine with a 200 acre farm has had nearly £200,000 in EU subsidies over the last 15 years or so. All because he has a hill farm,farming isnt profitable in the uplands ,its a less favoured area, so the government thinks its a good idea to pay him lots of money to breed stock and sell then at less than it costs him. its a crazy system. ETA he has children and claims tax credits and a guy in our village who has a pub pays himself minimum wage and then takes bonus at the year end so avoiding income tax. he owns 3 houses and sends his kid to private school and pays less tax than my husband who is a lorry driver earning less than 20k per year. its a mad system. another couple here run a horse stabling business,all cash in hand,and 3 other businesses,they have just bought a small holding,their earnings are not a lot on paper ,but the tax credits for their 3 kids all add up. its all a mess and people like me and mine trying to live decently get screwed all the time.

Good old tax loopholes! A decent accountant will save you many times his invoice if you belong to certain groups of self employed, thus it has been for a long time and every change in govt I shout at them close the tax loopholes through the TV - they never listen, flipping politicians!

lostinrates

delain wrote: »

Unfortunately because of the financial crash, a lot of this has been whipped up recently. People are sore because they have negative equity or have been made redundant and take it out on those who they've always looked down on for not being homeowners and suddenly see them with more freedom to move (even for jobs) and more financial security, get upset and claim people with larger families are robbing them..

Actually, some of us have flt the system was not great before the crash, and are ideologically opposed to us. I'm one of them. But I certainly do not look down on people who feel differently, as though I feel strongly about it I recognise its my opinion, and that other opinions exist. I also fee that we have to provide for people already here.

delain

lostinrates wrote: »

Actually, some of us have flt the system was not great before the crash, and are ideologically opposed to us. I'm one of them. But I certainly do not look down on people who feel differently, as though I feel strongly about it I recognise its my opinion, and that other opinions exist. I also fee that we have to provide for people already here.

I wasn't particularly referring to you when I said that please don't feel I meant it was you looking down on people it was actually a few DT posters I was thinking of (and I'm not naming names lol)

princesstippytoes

LegalBlonde wrote: »

i clicked the link to pigpen's debt free wannabe post, i didn't read past the first page but all it made me think was everyone on these forums were much nicer in 2007 as they didn't jump on the bandwagon of pointing out her benefits, but just asked why her electric bill was so high....makes me

Longest time to respond to a post ever. I haven't logged in for a while.

I'm sure that MSe was a nicer place but I haven't jumped on a bandwagon here. I have mentioned things which she has posted and which affect her argument.

And unlike Pigpen, I haven't called anybody names so consider myself to have been nice.

Olokia

pigpen wrote: »

Don't ever let your children study computer engineering at uni it is a total waste of time.. then because you have 'a degree' none of the less well paid jobs will look at you twice It is a massive disadvantage!

Computer Engineering is an excellent degree. While I was looking for a computer job, I still managed to get a minimum wage job so that I didn't have to survive on benefits. Then applied for jobs relevant to my degree which I admit still took me 7 months to get accepted but I am now in a really good job that pays well.

bratz81

Olokia wrote: »

Computer Engineering is an excellent degree. While I was looking for a computer job, I still managed to get a minimum wage job so that I didn't have to survive on benefits. Then applied for jobs relevant to my degree which I admit still took me 7 months to get accepted but I am now in a really good job that pays well.

Have to agree here, although I studied Computer Science rather than engineering. But let me tell you this - without a degree in it I'd never have ended up in the job I'm in now. And I've never been out of work for more than about 2 weeks (due to redundancy) since I started working at 14. I'm only 29 btw not an old fuddy duddy