Non-Halal kebab meat

amosworks

Hi folks,

I was debating whether to post this thread here or in the Green & Ethical MS thread, but decided here because I'm sure you're all much better cooks

Basically I absolutely love my kebabs and have one every weekend but I'm very worried that Halal meat in them really goes against my principals on cruelty to animals. So a few weeks ago I decided to give up kebabs pending a more ethical solution.

Unfortunately, I have yet to find one and I have no idea how to go about trying to create kebab-type meat that I can use in my own kebabs. It would be nice to be able to whip one up as close as possible to take-out style kebabs and shove it in the fridge until I get home, so I can microwave it straight away to reheat it.

How do I go about creating the type of meat that you find in kebabs? It's quite flat and stringy, rather moist and not cooked so it's overly done. I'm not even sure which meats to look at to start this, let alone how to prepare and then cook them to emulate how a kebab house does.

Any and all help, suggestions and ideas most appreciated.

Amos

Zziggi

amosworks wrote:

Basically I absolutely love my kebabs and have one every weekend but I'm very worried that Halal meat in them really goes against my principals on cruelty to animals. So a few weeks ago I decided to give up kebabs pending a more ethical solution.

become vegetarian?

Exactly how is halal slaughter worse than stunning (which doesn't always work and does cause pain) and then a bolt in the head?

The "meat" that tends to be used in kebabs in the UK is !!!!!!. Abroad they have kebabs that tend to taste like meat and they have regulations about what exactly can be put in a kebab e.g. germany. I lived in Germany for a while and when i came back to this country i couldn't stomach kebabs anymore as they were so obviously full of !!!!!!.

Sorry to not be able to really able to answer your question.

astonsmummy

isnt halal meat blessed?

Zziggi

astonsmummy wrote:

isnt halal meat blessed?

Yes but i was refering to the practicalities of killing the animal for meat.

Personally i think there are 2 broad positions you either (a) you think all slaughter of animals is cruel so you become a veggie or (b) you eat meat. then you just have to argue about the subtleties of the slaughter. Personally I am on the side of halal slaughter. Slaughter is slaughter and it is only degrees of difference. To argue that halal slaughter is sooo much worse than the conventional method i think is nto the real arguement.

astonsmummy

Zziggi wrote:

Yes but i was refering to the practicalities of killing the animal for meat.

Personally i think there are 2 broad positions you either (a) you think all slaughter of animals is cruel so you become a veggie or (b) you eat meat. then you just have to argue about the subtleties of the slaughter. Personally I am on the side of halal slaughter. Slaughter is slaughter and it is only degrees of difference. To argue that halal slaughter is sooo much worse than the conventional method i think is nto the real arguement.

oh yes i did find the 'cruelty to animals' comment strange seeing as any meat is from a killed animal

tr3mor

The OP asked for a recipe, not an argument about his ethics.

Have a look around for Kofte, Kobeda or Seekh kebab recipes. I think they're all fairly similar, they're just from different places.

You'd be hard pushed to make Doner meat at home.

This one looks pretty good: [URL="http://www.uktvfood.co.uk/index.cfm?uktv=recipes.recipe&iID=514225]Clicky![/URL]

amosworks

Zziggi wrote:

become vegetarian?

Exactly how is halal slaughter worse than stunning (which doesn't always work and does cause pain) and then a bolt in the head?

No vegetarianism for humans in unnatural. We are carnivores who turned omnivores - doesn't mean we should stop eating meat.

Halal slaughter is much worse than stunning an animal because its throat is slit and it's left to bleed to death whilst it's conscious. Sometimes this can take up to four hours. Stunning an aminal renders it unconscious so it does not die an excruciating death when it is slaughtered.

I am surprised Halal and Kosher meat is even legal in the UK in this day and age. Whilst you are correct that a stun bolt doesn't always work first time (in extremely rare occasions), an animal will quickly be stunned again until it does and will never have its throat slit open and left to die whilst it is still alive and aware of what's happening.

amosworks

...I would also like to add that unbeknownst to most parents, lots of schools now serve only Halal meat in their kitchens.

http://www.meatinfo.co.uk/articles/23043/Halal-row-forces-sourcing---rethink.aspx
http://www.bnp.org.uk/reg_showarticle.php?contentID=1322
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/17/uhalal117.xml


PRIMARY SCHOOLS
ALVECHURCH,CROWN MEADOW FIRST
BEWDLEY,St. ANNS C.E. FIRST
BEWDLEY, WRIBBENHALL FIRST
BLAKEDOWN C.E.FIRST
BROMSGROVE,MEADOWS FIRST
BROMSGROVE, SIDEMOOR FIRST
CLAINES C.E. PRIMARY
DROITWICH, CHAWSON FIRST
DROITWICH, St PETER'S C.E. FIRST
EVESHAM, St ANDREWS C.E.
EVESHAM, St RICHARD'S C.E. FIRST
EVESHAM, SWAN LANE FIRST
HOLLYWOOD, THE COPPICE PRIMARY
KIDDERMINSTER, COMBERTON FIRST
KIDDERMINSTER, FOLEY PARK FIRST
KIDDERMINSTER, FRANCH FIRST
KIDDERMINSTER, St GEORGE'S C.E. FIRST
KIDDERMINSTER, St JOHN'S C.E. FIRST
KIDDERMINSTER, St MARY'S C.E. FIRST
KIDDERMINSTER, St OSWALD'S FIRST
KIDDERMINSTER, SPENNELLS FIRST
KIDDERMINSTER, THE MARLPOOL FIRST
KIDDERMINSTER, THE OFFMORE FIRST
KIDDERMINSTER, THE SUTTON PARK FIRST
PERSHORE, THE HOLY REDEEMER R.C.
PINVIN C.E.,.FIRST
POWICK C.E. PRIMARY
REDDITCH,OAKHILL FIRST
REDDITCH, BATCHLEY FIRST
REDDITCH, MATCHBOROUGH FIRST
REDDITCH, MOUNT CARMEL R.C. FIRST
REDDITCH, ROMAN WAY FIRST
REDDITCH, ST GEORGE'S C.E.FIRST
REDDITCH, ST. LUKES C.E. FIRST
REDDITCH, TENACRES FIRST
REDDITCH, THE HARRY TAYLOR FIRST
REDDITCH, WOODROW FIRST
RUSHWICK C.E. PRIMARY
WORCESTER, DINES GREEN PRIMARY
WORCESTER, NUNNERY WOOD PRIMARY
WORCWSTER, OLDBURY PARK PRIMARY
WORCESTER, OUR LADY QUEEN OF PEACE R.C.
WORCESTER, PITMARSTON PRIMARY
WORCESTER, PERRY WOOD PRIMARY
WORCESTER, ST BARNABAS C.E. PRIMARY
WORCESTER, ST. CLEMENTS C.E. PRIMARY
WORCESTER, ST. GEORGE'S C.E. PRIMARY
WORCESTER, ST. JOSEPH'S R.C. PRIMARY
WORCESTER, STANLEY ROAD PRIMARY
WORCESTER, WARNDON JUNIOR

MIDDLE SCHOOLS
ALVECHURCH C.E. MIDDLE
BEWDLEY, ST ANN'S C.E. MIDDLE
BEWDLEY, WRIBBENHALL MIDDLE
BROMSGROVE, ASTON FIELDS MIDDLE
BROMSGROVE, CATSHILL MIDDLE
BROMSGROVE, PARKSIDE MIDDLE
DRAKES BROUGHTON,ST, BARNABAS F&M
DROITWICH, WITTON MIDDLE
EVESHAM, BLACKMINSTER MIDDLE
EVESHAM, ST EGWINS C.E. MIDDLE
EVESHAM,SIMON DE MONTFORT MIDDLE
KIDDERMINSTER, BIRCHEN COPPICE MIDDLE
KIDDERMINSTER, COMBERTON MIDDLE
KIDDERMINSTER, FRANCH MIDDLE
KIDDERMINSTER, ST JOHN'S C.E. MIDDLE
KIDDERMINSTER, SION HILL MIDDLE
PINVIN, ST. NICHOLAS C.E. MIDDLE
REDDITCH, BIRCHENSALE MIDDLE
REDDITCH, CHURCH HILL MIDDLE
REDDITCH, ST. BEDES R.C. CATHOLIC
REDDITCH, DINGLESIDE MIDDLE
REDDITCH, WOODFIELD MIDDLE
REDDITCH, IPSLEY C.E. MIDDLE
REDDITCH, THE RIDGEWAY MIDDLE
STOURPORT - ON - SEVERN, LICKHILL MIDDLE

HIGH SCHOOLS
BEWDLEY HIGH
DROITWICH HIGH
EVESHAM HIGH
HAGLEY R.C. HIGH
HANLEY CASTLE HIGH
HAYBRIDGE HIGH
HAYBRIDGE HIGH - PARK ROAD SITE
HOLLYWOOD, THE WOODRUSH HIGH
KIDDERMINSTER, KING CHARLES 1 HIGH
KIDDERMINSTER, BAXTER COLLEGE.
MALVERN, THE CHASE HIGH
MALVERN, THE DYSON PERRINS C.E. HIGH
MARTLEY, THE CHANTRY HIGH
PERSHORE HIGH
REDDITCH, ARROW VALE HIGH
REDDITCH, TRINITY HIGH
REDDITCH, KINGSLEY COLLEGE
WASELEY HILLS HIGH
WOLVERLEY HIGH
WORCESTER, BISHOP PEROWNE COLLEGE
WORCESTER, BLESSED EDWARD RC HIGH
WORCESTER, CHRISTOPHER WHITEHEAD HIGH
WORCESTER, NUNNERY WOOD HIGH
WORCESTER, THE ELGAR HIGH

bluemoon_3

amosworks wrote:

No vegetarianism for humans in unnatural. We are carnivores who turned omnivores - doesn't mean we should stop eating meat.

I've never understood the 'natural vs unnatural' justification of any diet. One could argue that eating cooked food is unnatural, or that eating insects as part of ones daily diet is natural. As for the 'should' in your sentence - it depends on the values, and sometimes the religion, you live by (many religions dictate an 'absolute' morality). You can't apply your own personal moral 'shoulds' to everyone else.

I've seen flavourings for kebabs in asian shops - you mix them with the meat (I think they can also be used with chana dhal and things like that) and they give cooking instructions on the back of the box. I'm not sure if you could use it to replicate doner meat though. I did some reading on it once - I seem to remember there's a specific type of fat that is rubbed into the meat that gives it much of the taste and texture.

squeaky

Hi everyone

This thread seems to have moved on more towards a discussion of ethics so I'm going to move it across to the Green board.

amosworks

lol thanks, I was torn 50/50 where to post it between here and there. Ideally though it's more a discussion on how I can get my weekend kebab fix I guess theology just comes in to it somehow. As it does everything when you care too much about trying to be a good person I guess :rolleyes: