Non-Halal kebab meat

astonsmummy

Havent they already done that in the links provided?

amosworks

lol I think the readers of the forum have been "educated" enough by this continuing link to an agenderist organisation who seem to rely on apparent research with no proof. I would remind you that UK scientists have also investigated the subject and found the opposite to be true to what these Mustagim folk are apparently saying. If you can be bothered, the results are on the web.

I would also draw your attention to the debate in the houses on the subject, and we all know that they make lots of sense on this multicultural rollercoaster we're forced on to.

somewhere_from_theyworkforyou.com wrote:

...Parliament has accordingly taken the view that, in the interests of religious tolerance, the Jewish and Muslim methods of slaughter should be permitted subject to the avoidance of unnecessary suffering...

Basically saying they know it's cruel and wrong but don't dare do anything that might upset this picturesque multiculti picture. Awww bless.

scheming_gypsy

astonsmummy wrote:

Havent they already done that in the links provided?

dunno, i didn't click the links and got bored reading some of the explanations but from what i did read it seemed to be speculation of why it doesn't hurt them as much.

rockykabir

amosworks wrote:

But still I don't seem to see your scientific data.

I posted it above.

I also found this...it's a long article but it is a good read for discussion - especially the issue regarding animal welfare:
http://www.grandin.com/ritual/kosher.slaugh.html

A lil intro to dismiss bias:

Need for objective evaluation

Given the importance of religious slaughter to people of these two major faiths, it is important that scientists must be absolutely objective when evaluating these practices from an animal welfare standpoint.

Evaluation of religious slaughter is an area where many people have lost scientific objectivity. This has resulted in biased and selective reviewing of the literature. Politics have interfered with good science. There are three basic issues. They are stressfulness of restraint methods, pain perception during the incision and latency of onset of complete insensibility.

amosworks

Well rockykabir that's a most interesting article thank you for taking the time to post it.

Your point on religious objectivity are all too painfully true. It's a shame people really aren't more concerned with the animals than their own PoV

astonsmummy

amosworks wrote:

lol I think the readers of the forum have been "educated" enough by this continuing link to an agenderist organisation who seem to rely on apparent research with no proof. I would remind you that UK scientists have also investigated the subject and found the opposite to be true to what these Mustagim folk are apparently saying. If you can be bothered, the results are on the web.

I would also draw your attention to the debate in the houses on the subject, and we all know that they make lots of sense on this multicultural rollercoaster we're forced on to.
.

But where is the evidence to back your claim up? what is the point in giving a valid argument in a discussion but then telling others they must look for evidence to back it up themselves

amosworks

In all honesty because I don't need to, my OP was for recipe suggestions for a non-Halal kebab because I've already taken the time out for myself to do the research and come up with my own conclusions instead of being told other people's opinions. I believe people should think for themselves and if they are interested in it, the information is available.

Whilst I haven't taken the effort to post any links, the information isn't hard to find and we have yet to have any real evidence posted either for or against. Apart from the above neutral link, all we've had is a link to an pro-Islamic "art and literature site" who take PayPal donations on the homepage.

scheming_gypsy

once you do work out how to make the meat you'll want one of these

amosworks

Wow that's fantastic! Thanks for the link!!

*Salivates*

I could cook all sorts of stuff on that too. A hundred and fifty notes though, hmm, guess I'll have to work hard for it this week and be a very good boy :rolleyes:

scheming_gypsy

offset it against how much you'll save on takeaway kebabs. £3.50 for a kebab, £1 for the chips and 50p for a can of coke. That's £5 a kebab, so 30 kebabs and you've got your money back.

Plus you can probably get one cheaper... i'm bored tonight so i'll have a look