Non-Halal kebab meat

Debt_Free_Chick

amosworks wrote:

How do I go about creating the type of meat that you find in kebabs? It's quite flat and stringy, rather moist and not cooked so it's overly done. I'm not even sure which meats to look at to start this, let alone how to prepare and then cook them to emulate how a kebab house does.

It can be any meat, except pork. Usually it's lamb (in the UK) but it can also include beef, chicken, goat etc.

The meat is sliced and marinated, then stacked on the skewer and, essentially, slowly barbequed/roasted.

Use the Arabic name of Shawarma and Google will find some recipes, including this one

The alternative is to find a non-Muslim source for your kebab e.g. many Greek-owned kebab shops might not be Muslim (believers of the Greek Orthodox Church, instead) and they probably don't buy Halal meat. They might do, but they are not required to, as Muslims are.

How do you know if the meat is Halal - do you ask the takeaway before you buy it?

amosworks

bluemoon wrote:

I've never understood the 'natural vs unnatural' justification of any diet. One could argue that eating cooked food is unnatural, or that eating insects as part of ones daily diet is natural.

Cooked food is unnatural and most people do eat a lot of insects without realising, just not as many as we used to :rolleyes:

bluemoon wrote:

If you make a right/wrong assertion, there will ALWAYS be someone who disagrees about what it means to be a good person.

True, but most of them are losers anyway. You just live and learn.

**purplemoon** wrote:

May you should do a bit more reading up on the subject

I have. Many a time these same "facts" are regurgitated by people with an agenda (who runs that link you posted??). I've heard this nonsense many times but [a] would prefer to trust UK scientific data, there was none on your link anyway, [c] this story has been floating around for ages so I wouldn't even bother as it's already been dismissed by lots of reputable institutions and scientists. I suggest you do a bit more reading up on the facts and spend some time researching before denouncing everything based on a story with no backing.

stamford wrote:

Knowing this joke of a government it would be ok to have the slaughter carried out by any old medieval method as long as it appeared multicultural and inclusive

I'm more interested in animal cruelty and changing my lifestyle to support this (from buying free range organic eggs to switching to only buying local produce for example). Whilst yes this government does seem to be on this blind and bizarre multicultural drive, there are a lot of ministers who want to ban Halal and Kosher slaughtering methods in the UK based on good evidence that it's unnecessarily cruel to the animal.

Zziggi wrote:

The problem with the halal slaughter debate is that i think both sides of the arguement quote extreme examples i.e. "the animal dies in agony from a slit throat" -v- "stunning doesn't work and the animals are treated inhumanely as they suffer twice"

That's very true and it's always best to stick to the facts and not the spin

rockykabir wrote:

The slicing of the jugular vein is the quickest and most clinical form of death for the animal - and hence the pain would be passed near instantenously. I have been to a slaughter farm and have seen slaughter via electrocution - it is not pleasant and mistakes are a commonplace. Sometimes the electrocution has to be done twice or for a longer period.

I think the problem here is that people presume that the more messy the method, the more the animal suffers
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EDIT: The animal is not bled to death so to speak. They are not alive when the throat is slit. There is twitching and strong body movement but these are instinctive reflexes - i.e. the animal is not alive at this moment: although their "movement" seems to reflect otherwise.

They are not alive when the throat is slit? What planet are you on? That's the whole point! Again we get the same old rubbish regurgitated from popularist anti-opinion. You will find most animals are not only alive but responsive after having their throat slit. There are not mere reflexes, although eventually that is all they will become after death.

I don't have a problem with messy at all and don't base my opinions on which was spills the most blood (I'm certainly not squeemish).

liz545 wrote:

Eat less meat, from a good (read, organic, traditional) farm that allows its animals to grow at a normal pace, and butchers them with care. If this means you can't afford to eat it so often, so be it. Kebabs every week probably aren't doing you any favours, health wise!

lol yes I like your definition of "good" there. I eat lots of meat, I can afford it and would rather spend double to get better meat than cheap meat. It's for shame that the mistreatment of animals is so cheap to buy compared to the "good" way As for kebabs every week, I wonder on and off Atkins a lot and according to all the research (and common sense ), it's not only safe but beneficial to eat lots of protein and saturated fat. Since I started doing it, my bad cholesterol level has dropped significantly (I'm now at 2.3) and I've becomes a much healthier person. A few years ago I vastly cut out hydrogenated fat, refined carbohydrates, sugars, caffeine and many other things like that from my diet, and have seen nothing but excellent results Atkins is the best diet in the world where the more kebabs you eat the more toned you get

Sarahsaver wrote:

'ethical' and 'takeaway' are not two words which easily go together.
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How did our ancestors kill thebackyard chicken? No stun guns there I fear;)

Very true they don't go together. Just because we did something in the past doesn't mean we should do it the same in this day and age, and when it comes to animal cruelty there's no excuse. The stun bolt method wasn't around in that day and age, if it was doubtless those animal loving pagans would much have preferred their animals to be killed as humanely as possible. Also in the olden days a woman could be beaten for arguing with a man, perhaps you would like this bought back too? QED

Debt_Free_Chick wrote:

How do you know if the meat is Halal - do you ask the takeaway before you buy it?

Yes, this is something I have now started doing on a wider scale. I check that my eggs are free range, my meat and vegetables are locally sourced, if they know the origin of my food and other stuff like that dependant on what it is. OK, so it gives restaurants and other food establishments a bit of a hard time, but it empowers me to be able to make positive choices to changes to the world around me and it's stuff that they SHOULD know anyway! I'm done with being lied to and lulled in to a false nannying sense of "everything's alright". Damn hell everything is not alright and I I simply can't ignore it any more. The food on my plate can no longer be a black box.


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Well thanks to everyone for this most interesting two-sided thread I've given some responses to the posts you've all graciously taken the time to post and I thank you. As for all the suggestions on food and where to get it, how to prepare it and so forth - this has all been consumed (:rolleyes:) and I'm going to investigate everything put forward. I'm well chuffed with all the help and I think it won't be long before I've got my DIY MSE kebab replacement I've got some experimenting to do lol

*Woots*

Amos

scheming_gypsy

you could try contacting
http://www.kingfry.co.uk/Products/Kebabs/index.html

and see if they supply to anybody in your area.

astonsmummy

amosworks wrote:

I have. Many a time these same "facts" are regurgitated by people with an agenda (who runs that link you posted??). I've heard this nonsense many times but [a] would prefer to trust UK scientific data, there was none on your link anyway, [c] this story has been floating around for ages so I wouldn't even bother as it's already been dismissed by lots of reputable institutions and scientists. I suggest you do a bit more reading up on the facts and spend some time researching before denouncing everything based on a story with no backing.

Amos

just out of curiosity, do you have any links? this has interested me now, there is a halal butcher up my shops which i know alot of people go to, i just always thought it was halal coz it was blessed!:o

scheming_gypsy

Why does being ethical and caring have so many side issues? makes me glad i really don't give a f*ck how my meat gets on my plate.

astonsmummy

i dont care either, i'm just curious as the slit throat option seems more humane but op is saying its not.

amosworks

astonsmummy wrote:

just out of curiosity, do you have any links? this has interested me now, there is a halal butcher up my shops which i know alot of people go to, i just always thought it was halal coz it was blessed!:o

Hiya, I'm afraid I have none bookmarked which I can give you off the top, but the information is all available on the Internet and open to all of course. I did begin my research at Google and it took me to various .gov.uk's where a lot of the in-depth (read boring) information and facts can be found.

I did spend a lot of time at a very good site that put all the facts in a much more friendly format but without neglecting links to all the source material used to compile the site, I'm sure you'll find this when you begin your search.

Halal meat is "blessed" meat also as it's slaughtered, but it's the slaughtering and not the blessing I object to.

Amos

amosworks

scheming_gypsy wrote:

Why does being ethical and caring have so many side issues? makes me glad i really don't give a f*ck how my meat gets on my plate.

Everything we do has "side issues", the only question is how many we're wise enough to understand, and bold enough to do anything about.

Not my fault you're a total pu$$y.

scheming_gypsy

How does the fact i don't care make me a total pu$$y? i could say that you're the total pu$$y for caring so much about the suffering of animals before they land in your plate.. but i won't

Although i did leave you a link to try for your non halal meat.

margaretclare

Sarahsaver wrote:

How did our ancestors kill the back-yard chicken? No stun guns there I fear

My grandparents would do it, but you need strong hands and the skill of long practice. Quick twist of the neck - the neck snaps, spinal cord is severed, instant death.

I remember seeing my grandad do this, long ago. But like I said, strong hands and skill born of practice.

Margaret