Non-Halal kebab meat

bluemoon_3

amosworks wrote:

lol thanks, I was torn 50/50 where to post it between here and there. Ideally though it's more a discussion on how I can get my weekend kebab fix I guess theology just comes in to it somehow. As it does everything when you care too much about trying to be a good person I guess :rolleyes:

I wasn't sure whether to post what I did in response either (but I took my lead because you, the OP, carried on the discussion). I think in the future if you don't want threads to go off topic about ethics/theology, it's best not to bring it up in the first place (I've learned this from experience!). If you make a right/wrong assertion, there will ALWAYS be someone who disagrees about what it means to be a good person.

Anastacia

Try Greek kebabs, gyros for example,they are made with pork, highly unlikely to be halal i would have thought.

Been thinking about this for a while & OH has worked in 3 kebab shops over the years & they all made their own donner by mincing leg of lamb (at least one bought it from safeways ) so i would have thought it was highly unlikely to be halal most times anyway.

bubblebathgirl

maybe rather than donner you could try those sish kebabs not sure of a recipe but would hazerd a guess at minced lamb, garlic,chilly,corriander shape into a sausage fashion and grill .( think they are called shish anyway)

cheepskate_2

so if the kebab is halal meat does that mean that all the meat form that type of takeaway is halah

**purplemoon**

amosworks wrote:

Hi folks,

I was debating whether to post this thread here or in the Green & Ethical MS thread, but decided here because I'm sure you're all much better cooks

Basically I absolutely love my kebabs and have one every weekend but I'm very worried that Halal meat in them really goes against my principals on cruelty to animals. So a few weeks ago I decided to give up kebabs pending a more ethical solution.

May you should do a bit more reading up on the subject

There have been scientific investigations done using EEG and ECG which show that animals slaughtered by Islamic methods don't actually feel any pain, whereby animals killed the Western way, i.e. stunning them before their throats are slit, do feel the pain.

http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/halal.htm

stamford

amosworks wrote:

Hi folks,

I was debating whether to post this thread here or in the Green & Ethical MS thread, but decided here because I'm sure you're all much better cooks

Basically I absolutely love my kebabs and have one every weekend but I'm very worried that Halal meat in them really goes against my principals on cruelty to animals. So a few weeks ago I decided to give up kebabs pending a more ethical solution.

Unfortunately, I have yet to find one and I have no idea how to go about trying to create kebab-type meat that I can use in my own kebabs. It would be nice to be able to whip one up as close as possible to take-out style kebabs and shove it in the fridge until I get home, so I can microwave it straight away to reheat it.

How do I go about creating the type of meat that you find in kebabs? It's quite flat and stringy, rather moist and not cooked so it's overly done. I'm not even sure which meats to look at to start this, let alone how to prepare and then cook them to emulate how a kebab house does.

Any and all help, suggestions and ideas most appreciated.

Amos

In the summer they were dishing out samples of Asda own brand DK Meat. I don't know if its still available and non halal. On the subject of non halal does anyone know if there are any laws that forbid the sale of halal killed stuff that is not labelled up as such. I certainly wouldn't want to unknowingly buy it. Knowing this joke of a government it would be ok to have the slaughter carried out by any old medieval method as long as it appeared multicultural and inclusive

liz545

Generally doner kebabs are made of lamb, there's no simple way to replicate this at home, but possibly a small boneless joint cooked on a rotisserie then sliced very thinly might come close? Shish and sheek kebabs are easier to replicate at home - cubes of meat threaded onto skewers, then grilled, or minced lamb formed into 'sausages' around the skewer.

As regards whether halal meat is humane, I don't think many of us have a definitive answer (unless there's a slaughter house person here?) However, my instinct is any abbatoir that aims to process a large volume of animals in order to sell meat cheaply will be lacking in their standards of care. Eat less meat, from a good (read, organic, traditional) farm that allows its animals to grow at a normal pace, and butchers them with care. If this means you can't afford to eat it so often, so be it. Kebabs every week probably aren't doing you any favours, health wise!

Zziggi

cheepskate wrote:

so if the kebab is halal meat does that mean that all the meat form that type of takeaway is halah

No, not necessarily. I know of takeaways that have halal chicken but any other meat is not halal. Then again you get other places where everything is halal. I suppose if the meat being halal is something that bothers you, then you ask.

The problem with the halal slaughter debate is that i think both sides of the arguement quote extreme examples i.e. "the animal dies in agony from a slit throat" -v- "stunning doesn't work and the animals are treated inhumanely as they suffer twice"

rockykabir

I'm not going to judge the OP for his/her desire - but I felt I should make one thing clear:

The slicing of the jugular vein is the quickest and most clinical form of death for the animal - and hence the pain would be passed near instantenously. I have been to a slaughter farm and have seen slaughter via electrocution - it is not pleasant and mistakes are a commonplace. Sometimes the electrocution has to be done twice or for a longer period.

I think the problem here is that people presume that the more messy the method, the more the animal suffers

To use animal cruelty as the sole reasoning behind avoiding halal food is a little illogical imo - but if you feel uncomfortable having to eat halal meat for your own reasonings other than animal cruelty (whatever they may be), then you shouldn't eat it and no one cannot argue with that.

EDIT: The animal is not bled to death so to speak. They are not alive when the throat is slit. There is twitching and strong body movement but these are instinctive reflexes - i.e. the animal is not alive at this moment: although their "movement" seems to reflect otherwise.

Sarahsaver

'ethical' and 'takeaway' are not two words which easily go together.
Go to a butcher and get yourself some free range meat. Most sheep/lambs will be outdoors most of the time anyhow. As for halal meat I'm not concerned, if anything i'd RATHER have it, (though i am not a Muslim) and in other countries meat is slaughtered by slitting the throat anyhow, non-muslim countries such as France and so on. How did our ancestors kill thebackyard chicken? No stun guns there I fear;)