Agency taking the !!!!?? Regarding property visit

Wee_Willy_Harris

Soniclord wrote: »

I'll answer you first because your full of !!!!. I have no need to give you a scan of my tenancy agreement. As I know for a fact (yes I've checked) that under no circumstances is the landlord or agent entitled to enter this property MY PROPERTY whilst I'm paying rent without permission from me. Regardless of if I'm in or not and regardless of if they gave me notice or not.

And you are clearly a mug. You let your agent come into your house when you weren't there. That's just stupidity. IT's like inviting strangers to come into your house while your out just to have a look around. It's not normal.

Also it's not about having anything to hide or wanting to be awkward. But the fact that someone else thinks they can let themselves into my house when I'm not there IS illegal as it would be without my consent regardless of if they gave notice or not.

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A. It is NOT YOUR PROPERTY. It is your home, but the landlord retains title.

B. The Landlord can gain access without your permission, provided he follows the necessary proceedures.

C. The Landlord can gain access without your permission if it can be shown to be expedient to do so (ie in the case of emergency).

D. It is NOT YOUR HOUSE. It is your home, but the landlord retains title.

Soniclord

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

A. It is NOT YOUR PROPERTY. It is your home, but the landlord retains title.

Ok it's my home then. I don't care what the landlord retains.

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

B. The Landlord can gain access without your permission, provided he follows the necessary procedures.

No he can't, search google for quiet enjoyment, or better still re-read my post I've added more for you to read.

Actually doesn't matter as here it is,

In English/Welsh tenancy law there is an implied right to "quiet enjoyment". Basically, this means that a landlord can only enter a property without the tenants permission in cases of emergency.

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

C. The Landlord can gain access without your permission if it can be shown to be expedient to do so (ie in the case of emergency).

The landlord is NOT allowed to gain access without permission unless as you say it is in the case of an emergency. My point is he's not allowed to enter as and when he sees fit even if he gives at least 24 hours notice.

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

D. It is NOT YOUR HOUSE. It is your home, but the landlord retains title.

But as you say it's my HOME which means the landlord can't do as he pleases to his HOUSE. Because whilst I'm paying rent to live here he has no rights to the property apart from being able to say it's his house.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Soniclord wrote: »

No he can't, search google for quiet enjoyment, or better still re-read my post I've added more for you to read.

Gladly. As soon as YOU Google "court order".

Soniclord

He can't get a court order without good reason. He doesn't have one. Nor ever will.

You've clearly missed the point. I am entitled to 'quiet enjoyment' and the Landlord is NOT allowed to enter this property unless I'm present or without my permission regardless of if he gives 24 hours notice or 24 weeks notice. Do you get it now?

And no court would give the Landlord a court order unless he can prove he has good reason to get one. And he will never have that proof as he will never need a court order. Simple.

By the way you don't need to google 'quiet enjoyment' as I've already said what it is in my previous post to you.

Also for the record I've spoken to my local councils Tenancy Relations Officer today and they confirmed the Landlord CANNOT enter this property regardless of how much notice he gives unless it's in an emergency. So that's one to stick in your pipe to smoke either now or later.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Soniclord wrote: »

He can't get a court order without good reason. He doesn't have one. Nor ever will.

You've clearly missed the point. I am entitled to 'quiet enjoyment' and the Landlord is NOT allowed to enter this property unless I'm present or without my permission regardless of if he gives 24 hours notice or 24 weeks notice. Do you get it now?

And no court would give the Landlord a court order unless he can prove he has good reason to get one. And he will never have that proof as he will never need a court order. Simple.

By the way you don't need to google 'quiet enjoyment' as I've already said what it is in my previous post to you.

By the way I've spoken to my local councils Tenancy Relations Officer today and they confirmed the Landlord CANNOT enter this property regardless of how much notice he gives unless it's in an emergency. So that's one to stick in your pipe to smoke either now or later.

The FACT remains, as I have stated, that the landlord can enter your tenancy having taken the appropriate action. ie obtained a court order. This could be obtained, for example, if he needed access to carry out essential repairs, or a gas safety check, or as the culmination of a S21/S8 notice etc etc. Regardless of your opinion, that is a statement of FACT.

Any personal habits I may have surrounding tobacco use I shall keep to myself. However, you can roll that one up and shove it in your @rse.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Soniclord wrote: »

...... the Landlord is NOT allowed to enter this property unless I'm present or without my permission regardless of if he gives 24 hours notice or 24 weeks notice. Do you get it now?......

Your presence, or lack thereof, wouldn't alter the landlords rights, by the way.

Soniclord

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

The FACT remains, as I have stated, that the landlord can enter your tenancy having taken the appropriate action. ie obtained a court order. This could be obtained, for example, if he needed access to carry out essential repairs, or a gas safety check, or as the culmination of a S21/S8 notice etc etc. Regardless of your opinion, that is a statement of FACT.

Any personal habits I may have surrounding tobacco use I shall keep to myself. However, you can roll that one up and shove it in your @rse.

Like I've already said the landlord would never need a court order to do such things (did you miss that little snippet of information?) nor would he need to get a court order to have a gas safety check done.

If you've taken any notice of my previous threads you'd know that the landlord is not forward but backward at coming forward when repairs need doing! He just doesn't give a !!!! anyway. As for a gas safety check, I made sure there was an up to date certificate valid for the current year before I moved in and i'll be onto the agent a week or 2 before this 1 runs out to ensure an appointment is made either before or on the day this 1 runs out.

You've still missed the point though that under normal circumstances the landlord CANNOT enter this property as and when he feels like it regardless of giving notice, unless it's in an emergency.

And trust me on this one. The landlord wouldn't even make much of an effort if there was an emergency.

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

Your presence, or lack thereof, wouldn't alter the landlords rights, by the way.

Wrong again.

As mentioned previously google 'quiet enjoyment' that will tell you my rights which yet again are below, I'd suggest you read tit.

In the covenant of quiet enjoyment, the landlord promises that during the term of the tenancy no one will disturb the tenant in the tenant's use and enjoyment of the premises. Quiet enjoyment includes the right to exclude others from the premises, and the right to peace and quiet.

That's the law. Like it or lump it.

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Right... so basically your problem is:

• there is a fault

• your landlord has kept his promise to reply to your email by the end of the working day.

• Your landlord has arranged for someone to come out to fix the problem
• Your landlord has given you nearly a month's notice that he wants to take a look round his property, and give you a very reasonable 3 hour slot in which he will come.

Yup, your response sounds totally reasonable :rotfl:

It is often an advantage for tenants to be present upon the visit, however we appreciate this may not always be possible, and therefore we will gain access with our management keys (subject to holding a set).

See, I would take that as 'it would be good if you could be there, if you can't it's not a problem' and i would either arrange to be there, or ask for a different appointment. Have you asked for a different appointment??

God help you if you ever have an actual bad landlord. Mine left us with no heating or hot water in an old drafty house for a month before he sent someone to fix it. He also gave us 24 hours notice of an inspection/valuation of the house and then complained that we hadn't tidied up. Your landlord is really not doing anything that bad LOL

BitterAndTwisted

Soniclord wrote: »

He can't get a court order without good reason.

I can think of a couple of good reasons and I'm not even a landlord or a specialist.


He doesn't have one. Nor ever will.

That's very good to hear.

You've clearly missed the point. I am entitled to 'quiet enjoyment' and the Landlord is NOT allowed to enter this property unless I'm present or without my permission regardless of if he gives 24 hours notice or 24 weeks notice. Do you get it now?

And no court would give the Landlord a court order unless he can prove he has good reason to get one. And he will never have that proof as he will never need a court order. Simple.

By the way you don't need to google 'quiet enjoyment' as I've already said what it is in my previous post to you.

Also for the record I've spoken to my local councils Tenancy Relations Officer today and they confirmed the Landlord CANNOT enter this property regardless of how much notice he gives unless it's in an emergency. So that's one to stick in your pipe to smoke either now or later.

Now now Soniclord there's absolutely no need to be rude to other posters. This particular other poster who you're being most impolite to there is pretty knowledgeable about LL&T legislation and I'd bet you a fiver that he knows more about it than you or I put together. In addition he has offered a great deal of most helpful advice to people on this forum and has chosen not to be a sm@rt@rse or impolite to anyone. If you're not interested in receiving any further advice from folk on here all well and good but going by the tone of your posts and your communication with the agent/landlord I have a feeling you might be in need of it again some time, so try not to alienate people whydontcha?

CloudCuckooLand

Deaf ears, B&T.

Can't be told. Won't be told.