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victory

purdita wrote: »

Hi All
Bit disappointed this week to see that I've STS Fred.
Don't know why as I've been pretty good. It should be TOTM (but I've reached the age where even that's a bit hit and miss now!!) so I'll put it down to that!!
Will not give in and hope to make up for it when I weigh next week.
Good luck to everyone!

Never give up, never give in ,what is the alternative?;)

I hope you loose next week:D

Princess_x

beanielou wrote: »

Only 1 lb this week.
Wee bit dissapointed but hey ho.

Well done. I don't think you should be disappointed. I read this poem before and managed to find it again. Makes you think.

Only One Pound

Hello, do you know me?
If you don't you should. I'm a pound of fat, and I'm the happiest pound of fat that you would ever want to meet.
Want to know why? It's because no one ever wants to lose me;
I'm Only One Pound, just a pound.
Everyone wants to lose three pounds, five pounds or fifteen pounds, but never only one,
so I just stick around and happily keep you fat.
Then I add to myself ever so slyly so that you never seem to notice it, that is until I've grown to ten, twenty or even more pounds in weight.
Yes, it's fun being Only One Pound of fat, left to do as I please.
So, when you weigh in, keep right on saying "Oh, I only lost one pound."
( as if that were such a terrible thing!)
For you see, if you do this you'll encourage others to keep me around because they will think I'm not worth losing.
And I love being around you -
your arms, your legs, your chin, your hips and every part of you.
Happy Days!! After all, I'm Only One Pound of fat!!!

sarymclary

Victory, sorry you've not found SW to suit you. I would seriously consider taking your food plans back to SW and speak to the consultant. SW absolutely guarantee you will lose weight on their plan or you get your money back.

If you have followed the plan to the letter, not had any fat at all on your meat (including trimming absolutely all of it off), stuck to the 1/3 rule when doing Extra Easy, weighed and measured everything, then I think they'd find you something of a phenomenon and want to see you. In all the weeks I've been going to SW now I have never heard of a new member gaining weight and not losing 1lb, it's more a case that the average loss is between 3-7lb on the first week. A lady on her 2nd week at class this week has now lost 6.5lb and reported that at her diabetic clinic the nurse has said she can drop her insulin because her diet has improved so much! It just sounds the complete opposite of you.

I know you didn't like class, but I would still ring the consultant and have a word, just to find out what on earth could have affected you, because this really is a complete mystery to me. The only thing I was going to mention was that your bread is 50/50, which has to by synned, you can only use wholemeal as a HEB, but then I think you were using cereal as your HEB anyway.

I have only gained weight over Christmas, when I ate chocolates, christmas pud, biscuits, crisps, etc., and then I gained 1.5lb that week. Every other week I've been to SW I have lost, apart from 2 STS's, which were TOTM weeks. Bearing in mind my battle to lose when I did calorie counting, and would only lose if I starved myself, I have found it to be my salvation.

To be honest, if you were to add up the calorie content of the meals you've eaten, I would challeng you to find an excess there of over 11,000 calories over and above the average 1500 daily allowance. Haricot beans do not have that big a calorie value, and the energy your body has to expend digesting them is far more than you'll use to digest bread or processed foods.

The consultant won't berate you for not attending class, it doesn't suit everyone, but you could potentially get your money back anyway!

puddings_2

princess - i like that pound of fat tale, its very good :-)

ENGERRRRRRLAAAAND! ENGERRRRRRLAAAAND!

victory

Yes, she did say that if you do not loose for 4 weeks you get your money back, there are plenty of people on SW that are STS or gainers (I have googled it enough to know:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:) not every diet is going to work out for everyone I guess that is what it is, I cannot go against WW as it lost me 105lb but then again as much as I whoop whoop WW others have not lost an inch and have had terrible time of it on that diet as the aitkins or the cabbage soup diet that I was listening to the lady on the bus today had lost 7lb in 5 days but wanted to die from the dizziness she was feeling and the terrible wind and bad breath she had developed...

I won't be going back to the classes, not my thing, I know hand on heart I followed it to the letter, I re read the books until I could tell you on what page it said what:rotfl:, I lovingly looked at all the photos of the recipes in the booklets and trowled for hours on the SW websites for recipes, got loads of hints and tips, like jugging the daily milk, I did nothing wrong, I did all that you said and betty and listened and changed to SS and mounted up the plates, over coming my fear of carbs, dropped the snack a jacks and the crackers, weighed it all apart from the coconut flakes which I will do tomorrow...

There is no fats on meats, quorn mince because of the less fats, quorn sausages, all that has been done.

I am not and never will be a diabetic nurse but I find it hard to believe that the nurse asked her to drop her insulin on the basis of only loosing 6.5lb, if she is carbing it her insulin has to automatically increase to counter act (10g of carbs is 1 insulin dosage so a 100g meal 10 units of insulin as a rule of thumb) SW for dinner and other times have high carb which is high insulin. The only way to drop insulin is to drop the carbs, for example protein or the fruit is less insulin because the body is not trying to digest carbs.

I know my insulin numbers have been through the roof these last few weeks as it does not know what to do with so many carbs going in, off to see the diabetic nurse tomorrow morning and she will say, more carbs up the insulin, this evening for example it was 19.8:eek: should be between 4-7 so she is not going to be impressed, my insulin will have to go much higher to counter balance the carbs.

Insulin administered works in the background the only thing that ups is sugars, carbs in cereals, pots etc have to be insulined. Normally it is done naturally.

I have put my eatings on various SW/weight loss forums and talked to a few customers that are on SW and they all seem to think that I am going along the right lines and eating plenty and the right stuff.

If you were to ask me I would say two things right now, one is that I am fed up with turning down invites out to eat os that I can stick to SW religiously and know I am doing it 100% and second weight gain not good for me sends me slightly crazy:D

I only have one slice of 50/50 a day if I am having it on WW I used to only have bread of any kind at weekends.

Not haricot but other beans have high cals and been using plenty of them and plenty of SW chips and rice and sharwoods noodles in abundance the carbs have been there and high and lots.

I am not perfect by any means but I am honest and there is nothing else I can say about what I have been eating on SW, it sure has not made me binge or dream of food or feel deprived or have a hunger stomach ache because of lack of food so that is good thing, I have been full and enjoyed it all the lovely fresh smells excellent.

I have bought a cupboard full of spices, beans, fresh veg, frozen veg, peppers you name it, all that SW booklets says to buy went out and got the lot, not going to waste it, will still use it, every single SW recipe that I have fancied have painstakingly written it down and added to my SW recipe list book that is in the kitchen next to the oven to try out tomorrow or the next day, don't want to loose momentum and think I have nothing to make:D

Eric_Pisch

victory wrote: »

I am not and never will be a diabetic nurse but I find it hard to believe that the nurse asked her to drop her insulin on the basis of only loosing 6.5lb, if she is carbing it her insulin has to automatically increase to counter act (10g of carbs is 1 insulin dosage so a 100g meal 10 units of insulin as a rule of thumb) SW for dinner and other times have high carb which is high insulin. The only way to drop insulin is to drop the carbs, for example protein or the fruit is less insulin because the body is not trying to digest carbs.

I know my insulin numbers have been through the roof these last few weeks as it does not know what to do with so many carbs going in, off to see the diabetic nurse tomorrow morning and she will say, more carbs up the insulin, this evening for example it was 19.8:eek: should be between 4-7 so she is not going to be impressed, my insulin will have to go much higher to counter balance the carbs.

Insulin administered works in the background the only thing that ups is sugars, carbs in cereals, pots etc have to be insulined. Normally it is done naturally.

I dont get the whole approach to treating diabetics (i was insulin resistant last year, often peaked at 14+ 1hr after food) it seams to be carb up then take insulin and try to balance the two. I have a friend at the moment whose probably got a year or two left before he losses his feet due to the condition Hes been carbing and medicating like crazy for 20 odd years.

I am not in the medical profession but some things do puzzle me, we know humans need zero carbs to survive, ketosis works fine for fuelling the body, and that high levels of glucose in the blood causes major damage to the body. We also know there are many many type 2 diabetics that have reversed the condition with weight loss, exercise and low carb diets, yet my friend and others i know who are diabetic are not told this, baffles me.

I was prepared to be told I was type II at my health check before i started my journey as I had been resistant for some time and had started to pass out after eating heavy carb meals. If they had told me this I would have gone low carb. Baffles me why others do not.

http://www.lowcarbdiabetic.co.uk/

victory

The way my nurse explains the insulin dependent diabetic is that the 24 hour dose given at night works in the background, keeping it all level and happy it is only when you eat something that the insulin moves about and needs 'adjusting' sugar spikes it, carbs shoot it up, protein does nothing, it is just a whole daily balance of finding out what you eat how many carbs are in it what insulin you need, how active you are going to be also affects it.

Heat affects it, even a bath:D carbs, exercise (put less insulin on) I have been diabetic for nearly 14 years of my life and still struggle:D

All I know is I just can't eat without checking the numbers are playing the game or go for a run without thinking of the insulin, any changes have to be accounted for. Weight loss, weight gain, illness, sunshine holidays, over heating, TOTM it all is affected by it.

My nurse is not one that says carb up she says carbs for life fuel but not a carb laden diet, she always says everything in moderation, even happy to suggest to add on insulin for the odd choc bar or cake but I am with you on that one, it spikes, takes ages to level out and makes you feel like you are going to be sick and ups the chances of ketones

lolly101

Eric_Pisch wrote: »

I dont get the whole approach to treating diabetics (i was insulin resistant last year, often peaked at 14+ 1hr after food) it seams to be carb up then take insulin and try to balance the two. I have a friend at the moment whose probably got a year or two left before he losses his feet due to the condition Hes been carbing and medicating like crazy for 20 odd years.

I am not in the medical profession but some things do puzzle me, we know humans need zero carbs to survive, ketosis works fine for fuelling the body, and that high levels of glucose in the blood causes major damage to the body. We also know there are many many type 2 diabetics that have reversed the condition with weight loss, exercise and low carb diets, yet my friend and others i know who are diabetic are not told this, baffles me.

I was prepared to be told I was type II at my health check before i started my journey as I had been resistant for some time and had started to pass out after eating heavy carb meals. If they had told me this I would have gone low carb. Baffles me why others do not.

http://www.lowcarbdiabetic.co.uk/

My son has been diabetic for just over a year now, and the whole thing terrifies me! We are fine with everyday care for his condition, but his blood sugar readings really worry me as he jumps really high after meals, as you used to, then falls back down in time for the next meal - the nurse says that every diabetic does this and that it is normal, but it seems that he spends most of his day with his blood sugars in the late teens! He also has periods where his sugars are really difficult to control.
He does my blood sugars a lot (playing doctors!), and I have only ever been between 4.2-5.9, so the difference is pretty scary.

I have been reading up a lot on it all and decided to try and go lower GI with his meals, this has helped, although hasn't really affected his meal time readings. I think it's too mean to restrict his carbs too much as I have with mine as he is only 6, so needs to eat 'normal food' just like his friends, but I have lowered his intake a bit, which has helped stabilise his readings.

I've spoken to the nurse, consultant, and dietician about this a few times and each time they tell me not to and that he should just follow the government recommended 'healthy diet' that everyone else should - around 60% carbs. I have no idea how a big restriction on carbs would affect a diabetic, but I know that having a little less carbs in his diet has really helped my son's readings so I'm quite uncomfortable with the fact that I'm being advised not to do it!

sarymclary

Morning all.

That's interesting stuff Eric. I wonder why they don't treat them all the same, but could that be different PCT's and funding choices? Worrying if it is, but it wouldn't be a 1st time.

Victory, I think you just need to do what you feel suits you best. There's no point going crazy over it.
All plans have their own merits and pitfalls. Out of interest, did you ever try to do just an Original/Red day? That limits carb intake, which may have suited your body better. One of the ladies on the SW thread does these more often than not and has lost over 7.5stone, with about another 3 still to go, and she loses every week (she lives abroad so has done it all online with support from forums, with info from the books & magazines). From my POV I've found SW to be a perfect fit because it focuses on lots of fresh fruit/veg, lean meat and away from processed foods, which I neither trust nor enjoy. That's what I prefer my family to eat, and I can feed us all the same way. I don't load my plate with carbs, I just don't like eating that many. In fact I used to eat bread every weekend, and now I choose not to eat any at all, just because I am happier with the other food I'm eating, and I don't look to it to fill me up. I used to stuff myself on pasta too, but now I have only a small portion with meals out of choice. My lunch yesterday for example was some chicken, with h/m quiche (full of veg), followed by a yogurt. My breakfast was mixed fruit & natural yog. I have fibre bars for my carbs, usually mid-afternoon or evening with a cuppa, and that gives me a little bit of a dark choc fix at the same time. I guess this all just proves that our bodies are very different, and react to food differently. It would seem that you will have to limit your food intake, even if it means feeling hungry and less satisfied, but I wonder also if that has created part of your problem along the way? I lost weight 2 yrs ago limiting my diet to under 1300 cals a day, I lost 2 stone, but it all went back on again very fast once I stopped calorie counting, and eating 'normally' (not stuffing my face or eating choc either). It would be interesting to know what a nutritionist would make of it all.

Fred, can you put me down for a -2.5lb loss this week please?

Go! Go! England!

efrieze

Well I lost the "only one pound" that princess_x was talking about - and if it is anything like that one, I'm happy to be rid of it instead of allowing it to harvest with it's friend. A bit disappointed that it's not more but you win some, you lose some.

Fred 1lb loss please. I did it for England!