Boxing day tube strikes

mjm3346

Stigy wrote: »

All part of the job for you, surely? Train drivers aren't paid to hit people with their trains, although it is an occupational hazard. You knew there'd be a very strong chance you'd see sights you wish you didn't have to, and treat terrible wounds. A train driver knows he MAY one day hit somebody.

And he can claim tax free compo if he suffers as a result of it.

(I am not a Nurse, I was simply addressing a point someone else had made)

Stigy

mjm3346 wrote: »

And he can claim tax free compo if he suffers as a result of it.

(I am not a Nurse, I was simply addressing a point someone else had made)

Sorry, I thought you were a nurse....I know somebody else is in this thread and thought it was you.

It is expected of a Nurse that works in an Emergency Department to be able to cope with death and serious injury. It is not expected of a train driver to be able to cope when somebody jumps in front of their train.

Hammyman

alastairq wrote: »

I sympathise with the train drivers.....their conditions of employment look set to take a major leap into the dark ages.

Really? They'll still be on 35hr working week, over £50k wages, 8 weeks paid holidays, 100% pension.

And they're being asked to work a bank holiday for the rates their union agreed the last time they held TFL to ransom.

Please tell me how that is taking a major leap into the dark ages?

wealdroam

Stigy wrote: »

It is not expected of a train driver to be able to cope when somebody jumps in front of their train.

Then why should they be paid for something which may never happen?

As was said earlier... if such an event did happen, the the driver can claim 'substantial' compensation.

Hammyman

Stigy wrote: »

The thing is, people tend not to throw themselves in front of HGVs.

They do, just usually in a car. Difference is that on a tube train, you see them jump and thats it, other than maybe taking a walk to find the mess at which point you go back to your cab and never look at it again. In a truck you feel the impact, see the wreckage and have to stand there watching for an hour as they cut the person out at which point you are automatically breath tested and arrested, placed into a police car, taken to a police station and interviewed as a criminal.

Stigy

Hammyman wrote: »

They do, just usually in a car. Difference is that on a tube train, you see them jump and thats it, other than maybe taking a walk to find the mess at which point you go back to your cab and never look at it again. In a truck you feel the impact, see the wreckage and have to stand there watching for an hour as they cut the person out at which point you are automatically breath tested and arrested, placed into a police car, taken to a police station and interviewed as a criminal.

And you don't think you feel the impack in an age-old tube train? If you're really lucky you might even see the whites of their eyes...

PsiDOC

How can I put this...
Ryan... get back to work you over paid under educated lazy workshy spoilt brat.
Your plight holds fook all water with anyone here and you can argue till the cows come home. People still think you're a !!!!!!.
Now shut the fook up and go play with your train set.

Rolandtheroadie

Hammyman wrote: »

They do, just usually in a car. Difference is that on a tube train, you see them jump and thats it, other than maybe taking a walk to find the mess at which point you go back to your cab and never look at it again. In a truck you feel the impact, see the wreckage and have to stand there watching for an hour as they cut the person out at which point you are automatically breath tested and arrested, placed into a police car, taken to a police station and interviewed as a criminal.

They liken it to being in a car going over a rabbit.
Yes, the driver may not have to look at it again, what about the other railway employees? Those that have to pick up the pieces?
In ANY accident on the railway, ALL those involved are usually screened for drugs and alcohol and could face criminal charges.
Our limits are less than that of a driver on the road as well. I'm not just talking drivers here, we're talking every employee that is on the track.
And quite rightly so.

alastairq

I note with amazement that many people view train driving as a 'cushy number'.....?

Ever tried it?

Why do airline pilots get paid what they do? After all, with all the automation on aircraft these days, most is done for them..?

Surely a bus driver has vastly more responsibility regarding passenger safety? They carry more, for a start!

And automation is not acceptable on buses...

Same with trains.

I can go on for ever arguing and counter-arguing regarding the relative skills involved with any transportation job.....


But we need to be wary of proffering an opinion based upon perception

Strikes do not occur simply because the strikers feel like it.

They involve material loss.

They strain relationships...

They involve commitment.

They happen only when all other forms of negotiation are unresolved...or, even, denied.

Strike action is not taken lightly.



I have been on strike...for pay, for pensions, for the maintenance of existing working conditions, for job retention...

At one time I really had concerns about the effects my strike action would have upon our customers..................................

Those customers very rarely proffered their support.


But oh, they darned well wanted mine when THEY had issues of one form or another.


So nowadays, I strongly advocate not giving a tinker's cuss what Joe Public thinks...or how they are inconvenienced by my actions.

I turn their inconvenience, into pressure thrust upon my bosses...who, incidentally, never seem to do anything but stay smelling or roses....funny that......

even if THEY get put out to grass, it isn't THEIR pay or pensions which take a beating........

go for it guys....and whatever you do, don't even bother to justify your actions to Joe Public......Joe Public ain't worth the hassle.

geordieracer

scotsman4th wrote: »

They liken it to being in a car going over a rabbit.
Yes, the driver may not have to look at it again, what about the other railway employees? Those that have to pick up the pieces?
In ANY accident on the railway, ALL those involved are usually screened for drugs and alcohol and could face criminal charges.
Our limits are less than that of a driver on the road as well. I'm not just talking drivers here, we're talking every employee that is on the track.
And quite rightly so.

Not just the drivers either. Station staff also have to deal with it and get no where near the pay.

Mind you we got !!!! all when we had to help the lul staff drag out the injured and dead up to kings cross. Oh yeah and have to have a dead body sat there on our concourse all day that we had to look at.

Did we go on strike then? No.
Whilst i can understand why they are off on strike i do not agree with it one bit. Not at this time of year. Lose your arguement with the public and thats not what you want.