Boxing day tube strikes

ryantcb

I would like to be a [STRIKE]Nurse on £30k[/STRIKE] / Tube driver on £43k, I realise that the chance to be a [STRIKE]Nurse[/STRIKE]/ Tube driver is open to all and if I chose to become a nurse/[STRIKE] tube driver[/STRIKE] as apposed to a [STRIKE]nurse[/STRIKE]/ tube driver then it is my personal choice and begrudging those who chose the other option is just daft.

mjm3346

We have seen no evidence you work 5 hours "unpaid" each week but regardless of 35 or 40 hours it's still £40k plus per year and free travel for 2 which is potentially worth over £6,000 of earned income to other Londoners, on top of your figure of £43k thats around £50,000 in pay and travel benefits without even thinking of looking at the pension available.

Jeff_Bridges_hair

ryantcb wrote: »

I would like to be a [STRIKE]Nurse on £30k[/STRIKE] / Tube driver on £43k, I realise that the chance to be a [STRIKE]Nurse[/STRIKE]/ Tube driver is open to all and if I chose to become a nurse/[STRIKE] tube driver[/STRIKE] as apposed to a [STRIKE]nurse[/STRIKE]/ tube driver then it is my personal choice and begrudging those who chose the other option is just daft.

Now now - Being a tube driver is not open to all and its very very difficult to actually become one if you don't already work for LU.

Never seen an advert for trainee tube drivers in my life on the LU website.

PsiDOC

ryantcb wrote: »

If it wasnt in your contract would you do it though?
Also as a public transport worker I am allowed to show my staff pass and fill my car up without hassle during the fuel shortages. So thanks but im ok.

Actually yes. Myself and the team I work with would work something out between us, but then that's what adults do!
Surely if it's not in your contract then you can rightly say no to it without any retribution, so I really don't see the problem that warrants a strike?
Re: Your staff pass to get fuel, I bet you have found that a handy bonus in the past. Surely a bit of Quid Pro Quo with your employer in times like this should be in order?

So Again, grow up! Life isn't a one way street in your direction.

Psi
PS: 43K for a glorified labourer's job. I am DEFINATELY in the wrong job!

Why am I beginning to think you're a spoilt brat that just wants more all the time?

ryantcb

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

Now now - Being a tube driver is not open to all and its very very difficult to actually become one if you don't already work for LU.

Never seen an advert for trainee tube drivers in my life on the LU website.

The last recruitment campaign for train driver was open to the public and advertised in national press (thats how i got it). IT is hard as there is about 4 levels of testing and interviews to get through. 5,000 applied and 200 got through. But it is possible.

PsiDOC wrote: »

Actually yes. Myself and the team I work with would work something out between us, but then that's what adults do!

Because we have a union the company will not negotiate on an individual basis and therefore all negotiations have to be done via our unions for all employees. terms or contract.

Surely if it's not in your contract then you can rightly say no to it without any retribution, so I really don't see the problem that warrants a strike?

Exactly we did say no because it is more bank holidays than was agreed upon but TFL didnt care and thus after months of talking and negotiating TFL have refused to be reasonable and thus we are on strike. ( we dont get paid when we strike you know and could lose our jobs for breach of contract, please dont think just because the media reports it we take our strike lightly and months of discussions go on before you hear about it on the news)

Re: Your staff pass to get fuel, I bet you have found that a handy bonus in the past. Surely a bit of Quid Pro Quo with your employer in times like this should be in order?

I think all jobs have some staff benefits, ours is travel but i only use my oyster when around work (I use my car to get in). For personal use im guessing mine is around £20 a year.

So Again, grow up! Life isn't a one way street in your direction.

I have grown up, im doing something about it



Psi
PS: 43K for a glorified labourer's job. I am DEFINATELY in the wrong job!

As I say the job is open to all you chose your profession and I mine

Why am I beginning to think you're a spoilt brat that just wants more all the time?

Uneducated maybe? or a Thatcher tory?

jamespir

i think if you strike you should be sacked and your job given to somone happy to work those hours etc

choc_mouse

Don't know the background to any of this but here's my opnion:

First point to clear up is the amount of holiday we get.
>> You already agreed to the existing terms in your contract. It's not a reason to strike in my opinion. End the contract (quit) if you don't agree.

Why not work boxing day?
"So you have done your 12 years without spending it with your family but now this year finally you get to be there and suddenly your employers change the rules and you have to work. Is that right?"
>> If the employer is forcing you to work outside the terms of your contract, I think you have every right not to agree without receiving appropriate compensation...So strike if TFL has breached the contract. If what they've done is within the terms of contract and you no longer agree, then quit.

triple pay
>> You already agreed to the existing terms in your contract. It's not a reason to strike in my opinion. End the contract (quit) if you don't agree.

Before anyone says anything, I know quitting isn't always an option. But imagine the whole work force quitting - that's like the ultimate strike! That would send a message to the employers I'm sure.

ryantcb

choc_mouse wrote: »

Don't know the background to any of this but here's my opnion:

First point to clear up is the amount of holiday we get.
>> You already agreed to the existing terms in your contract. It's not a reason to strike in my opinion. End the contract (quit) if you don't agree.

Why not work boxing day?
"So you have done your 12 years without spending it with your family but now this year finally you get to be there and suddenly your employers change the rules and you have to work. Is that right?"
>> If the employer is forcing you to work outside the terms of your contract, I think you have every right not to agree without receiving appropriate compensation...So strike if TFL has breached the contract. If what they've done is within the terms of contract and you no longer agree, then quit.

triple pay
>> You already agreed to the existing terms in your contract. It's not a reason to strike in my opinion. End the contract (quit) if you don't agree.

Before anyone says anything, I know quitting isn't always an option. But imagine the whole work force quitting - that's like the ultimate strike! That would send a message to the employers I'm sure.

if I dont agree with the terms when I sign my contract that I have no right to complain, but if they change whilst im under contract then yes I do. And we are.



What amazes me is most peoples argument is that my job is better than theirs and so I shouldn't try to make it better. Of those people im guessing you mean wages as I doubt any of them would truly want our conditions. You work shifts that can range from 4am starts and 2am finishes, You never know your days off until 3 days before. You never know what shifts your on until 3 days before. Try arranging childcare when you never know what is what. You are not allowed to drink 24 hours before work. You dont get to chose your holidays they are allocated to you. It is possible that I dont get to see my son for weeks if i get the late shifts. Its not a case of quitting and getting a better job its about trying to improve (if you can) what you got. Do you move house because you dont like the colour of the walls or do you paint them?

ryantcb

jamespir wrote: »

i think if you strike you should be sacked and your job given to somone happy to work those hours etc

your boss tells you that you now work 7 days a week instead of 5. but your still only doing your contracted hours and as your contract is for hours per week not days, then you have to lump it. However luckily you and your colleagues have a team of lawyers (union) who are prepared to say no to these proposals and make sure you keep the conditions you had been receiving, but if you was to be going to 7 days a week then your union will ensure your wages will be improved to compensate that fact.
sadly though your company dont care as they have the attitude to fire you and get someone who will work for the new conditions. So what do you do? You strike and make that final stand.


course this is all hypothetical as you have already said you would take being fired. I prefer my option.

choc_mouse

ryantcb wrote: »

Do you move house because you dont like the colour of the walls or do you paint them?

I like that analogy.:)

If the terms of your contract has changed after joining, then I support your actions! I sympathise with the tough working conditions. For us on the outside, we can never see the detail of what TFL are really saying or what the unions really want and the arguments from the public's persective always appear to be about money. Surely if you don't like the way your shifts are handed out isn't it better to only ask for a change in working patterns (which I'm sure you have)? Maybe there should be a law to allow a jury to decide matters with public interest!

Anyway, good luck and have a nice Christmas. I'm going back to the side lines in this one.