Boxing day tube strikes

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ryantcb wrote: »

What amazes me is most peoples argument is that my job is better than theirs and so I shouldn't try to make it better. Of those people im guessing you mean wages as I doubt any of them would truly want our conditions. You work shifts that can range from 4am starts and 2am finishes, You never know your days off until 3 days before. You never know what shifts your on until 3 days before. Try arranging childcare when you never know what is what. You are not allowed to drink 24 hours before work. You dont get to chose your holidays they are allocated to you. It is possible that I dont get to see my son for weeks if i get the late shifts. Its not a case of quitting and getting a better job its about trying to improve (if you can) what you got. Do you move house because you dont like the colour of the walls or do you paint them?

Whinge whinge whinge. You knew all this before you accepted the job. Deal with it.

Hammyman

ryantcb wrote: »

we do know but we also know that we have what we have because we fight through our unions, whilst the rest of the country believe its fine to get paid minimum wage (or employers see it maximum wage) and to get treated like crap and live in fear of unemployment we decided that wasnt for us. Should I work hand to mouth and be able to be fired at the drop of a hat or fight for a decent standard of living and some job security? Im know which you me and everyone else would chose.
any others there?

It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact you've already progressed past wanting a decent standard for an unskilled job and are now being greedy. Be careful. The NUM thought they were untouchable in the 1980's and the Conservatives decimated them. Your union isn't untouchable and you do a job that any trained monkey could do. Your job is not a very difficult one to learn and there's millions of people in the UK capable of learning it.

And currently, you've got 8 million people who get very fed up at your antics.

Hammyman

ryantcb wrote: »

If any of them had the chance to join a union would they say no? course not its all hypocritical.

I did say no. Several times.

Hammyman

ryantcb wrote: »

=esmerobbo wrote:

I can think of many jobs which are less well paid but traumatic episode could happen!

ok please name them?

Lorry driver. Apart from the accidents you inevitably come across on the road, If you hit someone with a 44 tonne truck, there's going to be a mess. Unlike your nice safe tube train with pre-determined route, static load and no other traffic, lorries have loads that can shift considerably and share the roads with 33 million other vehicles driven by many who see their sole duty to get in front of the lorry at all costs. I know personally of two drivers who have killed someone who pulled out right in front of them as they were doing 50MPH. No compo for them.....

dacouch

London Underground Ltd.
Current Pay £42,424.00
Additions Instructor Operator £44,267 Signal Stock Train Operator £44,267.
Next Claim 1 April 2011
35 Hour Week Yes 35 Hour Week since May 1996
Pensionable Pay
Rest Day Working Sanction Until None
Additional Comments
Charter achievements
Clean salary Yes
100% pensionable pay 100% since restructuring
35 hours/Sundays inside 35 hours Sundays inside
Special Leave Arrangements Improving
4 Day Week 9 day over 2 weeks @ 2 depots for FF rosters. Ext to other depots in process.
PT&RA In the process of being re-written with a number of improvements for train staff
Medically Resricted Drivers/Ins Scheme Sickness 39 weeks full pay plus package MR drivers
Leave Arrangements 43 days
Travel Facilities All staff receive LRT pass. Rights for same sex partner
Proactive recruitment of Proactive Monitoring - good progress
Retirement at 60 Full pension @ 60. Poss. Retirement @ 50
Improved Dealt with at JSC
Max 10 hr Day 8.5 hrs (unpaid breaks)
Reduced hours etc Opportunity to work reduced hours - Sats, Suns & BHs only
DOO Status DOO only
Enhanced Training

Hammyman

ryantcb wrote: »

Of those people im guessing you mean wages as I doubt any of them would truly want our conditions. You work shifts that can range from 4am starts and 2am finishes, You never know your days off until 3 days before. You never know what shifts your on until 3 days before. Try arranging childcare when you never know what is what.

Aww bless. Yeah you may start those shifts at those times but you only do 8hrs and you know when it ends. Try being a lorry driver where you can work up to 15hrs a day, have no idea when you're going to be finishing that day other than when you've run out of time, have no idea if you're even going to get home and for £15k a year less than you do. Try arranging childcare for that!

In haulage, the maximum working week is 84hrs, the average 55, all for at least £10k less than you. And whilst you packing in would be a minor inconvenience, if we all joined a union and went on strike, you'd be whinging about it when the petrol stations ran dry and the shops were empty, HYPOCRITE.

It is possible that I dont get to see my son for weeks if i get the late shifts.

!!!!!!!!, you get to see them on the mandatory days off. Going on your lies about claiming to work 3 weeks solid with no break, I didn't get to see my first son for over a year as I left at 4am and got back around 8pm. I didn't make the same mistake with the second son but it meant changing to agency work where there was no luxury of even 3 days notice of shifts and sometimes I'd get a phone call at 4am with a "can you go in NOW"??

Hammyman

dacouch wrote: »

London Underground Ltd.
Current Pay £42,424.00
Additions Instructor Operator £44,267 Signal Stock Train Operator £44,267.
Next Claim 1 April 2011
35 Hour Week Yes 35 Hour Week since May 1996
Pensionable Pay
Rest Day Working Sanction Until None
Additional Comments
Charter achievements
Clean salary Yes
100% pensionable pay 100% since restructuring
35 hours/Sundays inside 35 hours Sundays inside
Special Leave Arrangements Improving
4 Day Week 9 day over 2 weeks @ 2 depots for FF rosters. Ext to other depots in process.
PT&RA In the process of being re-written with a number of improvements for train staff
Medically Resricted Drivers/Ins Scheme Sickness 39 weeks full pay plus package MR drivers
Leave Arrangements 43 days
Travel Facilities All staff receive LRT pass. Rights for same sex partner
Proactive recruitment of Proactive Monitoring - good progress
Retirement at 60 Full pension @ 60. Poss. Retirement @ 50
Improved Dealt with at JSC
Max 10 hr Day 8.5 hrs (unpaid breaks)
Reduced hours etc Opportunity to work reduced hours - Sats, Suns & BHs only
DOO Status DOO only
Enhanced Training

Wow, simply wow. They have no justification for their claim.

alastairq

Hammyman wrote: »

Aww bless. Yeah you may start those shifts at those times but you only do 8hrs and you know when it ends. Try being a lorry driver where you can work up to 15hrs a day, have no idea when you're going to be finishing that day other than when you've run out of time, have no idea if you're even going to get home and for £15k a year less than you do. Try arranging childcare for that!

In haulage, the maximum working week is 84hrs, the average 55, all for at least £10k less than you. And whilst you packing in would be a minor inconvenience, if we all joined a union and went on strike, you'd be whinging about it when the petrol stations ran dry and the shops were empty, HYPOCRITE.



!!!!!!!!, you get to see them on the mandatory days off. Going on your lies about claiming to work 3 weeks solid with no break, I didn't get to see my first son for over a year as I left at 4am and got back around 8pm. I didn't make the same mistake with the second son but it meant changing to agency work where there was no luxury of even 3 days notice of shifts and sometimes I'd get a phone call at 4am with a "can you go in NOW"??

all of which is a major reason why I chose not to go waggoning......the only way lorry drivers earn a decent wedge is by putting the hours in.

that has always been the case.....going back to World War One!.

But I do recall in the past, attempts made to legislate to compel hauliers to reduce drivers' hours.......met with uproar as it would mean a compulsory wage reduction..[never mind the better quality of life].

I sympathise with the train drivers.....their conditions of employment look set to take a major leap into the dark ages.

as for [lorry] drivers 'striking'...well, yes it does result in inconvenience for the general public....as has been proven in the past.

Sadly, the Great British General Public are a bunch of self-centre egotists, so they will !!!!! at the shortages, the inconveniences, the disruption....they only think of themselves....never anybody else.

Unlike the French....

I'm all for strikes.....any excuse!

Stigy

mjm3346 wrote: »

Nothing to do with the trauma (which I don't dispute although with the compo claims there is a reason to make as much of it as possible), point addressed was this one



the nurse gets nothing for dealing with it and the drivers etc can bang in the compensation claims.

All part of the job for you, surely? Train drivers aren't paid to hit people with their trains, although it is an occupational hazard. You knew there'd be a very strong chance you'd see sights you wish you didn't have to, and treat terrible wounds. A train driver knows he MAY one day hit somebody.

Stigy

Hammyman wrote: »

Lorry driver. Apart from the accidents you inevitably come across on the road, If you hit someone with a 44 tonne truck, there's going to be a mess. Unlike your nice safe tube train with pre-determined route, static load and no other traffic, lorries have loads that can shift considerably and share the roads with 33 million other vehicles driven by many who see their sole duty to get in front of the lorry at all costs. I know personally of two drivers who have killed someone who pulled out right in front of them as they were doing 50MPH. No compo for them.....

The thing is, people tend not to throw themselves in front of HGVs. I recently attended a course held by the Samaritans which is supposed to help rail workrers understand why people want to top themselves etc. 170(ish) people committed suicide last year on the railway, I'd imagine the vast majority jumped in front of trains. I'd hazard a guess that it's far more traumatic to see somebody throw themselves off a platform at a tube station, and know that even applying the emergency brakes you're probably going to hit them, than it is hit somebody in a car or HGV that accidentally steps out in front of you, even with the shock of it.