New Deal: Not Interested.

amber1979

nocareer wrote: »

I am not discriminating against the mentally ill. I was merely highlighting the failings of the New Deal Programme.

I'm not racist but......


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ellie101

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Oh for christ sake I am getting completely taken out of context.

I meant that I would not feel comfortable working with patients who had serious mental health issues - I am talking about ones that require long hospital stays.

Now if I offend anyone then I commend you for not going through your life and living it in a serene manner and not having thoughts or passing comment to your partner about someone you see/meet who is different.

Or rather I would but no one lives their life like that.

Who knows, I may get alot out of working with people with serious mental health issues but I doubt it very much, I shouldn't feel as if I 'have to push my boundaries' and I am pretty sure they wouldn't want me there.

I made a comment and I refused to be jumped upon as if I am a pariah.

You may be aware of the statistics of 1 in four have mental health issues as you pointed out... but there will probably be people who you have worked with who have had long hospital stays that don't tell you about it (who can blame them).

I know people who have had long term hospital stays that are pleasant to be around, and have been good friends, unlike most of the so-called mentally well population.

And yes, no-one lives their life without making comments about others, but you appear to be writing off large segments of the population.

You never know if there will be a time in your life when you or someone close to you may require a hospital stay. I've seen it happen to some of the strongest seeming people I know, when marriages have broken down or something traumatic happens.

And for those going on about New Deal and working with mentally ill patients, if they are well enough to get out and about you'll probably not even realise they are mentally ill. You're not going to be working with someone that is deemed dangerous. Most people unless they are having a psychotic episode aren't going to be completely out of it.

I can't believe the judgement coming off this board... there are shades of grey in everything. Good proportion of people will be ill at some point in their life from mental illness, you may not need sectioning but there but for the grace of god.

kitschkitty

This thread is seriously dumb!

The OP is being prejudiced in that he believes certain user groups will all be present together on a new deal program and that this will somehow affect him and what he can get out of the program. I don't think he actually has the faintest idea what the new deal program involves.

He won't be forced to interact with other participants in the sense of "working" with them. He will just be on a course where they all have to learn jobseeking skills or find work placements, where he gets this fixed idea of what the placements are, from, I have no idea. The job placements can be absolutely anything - working in an office, a charity shop, a theatre, a museum, you name it, and the better they suit the individual going on them the better the outcome - incidentally the participants are more than welcome to find their own "suitable" placements.

New deal 13 week programmes can be extremely demotivational to many people and you may get people from ALL walks of life participating on them, but it's has nothing to do with most of the points raised in this thread.

OP needs to get over himself and his bizarre superiority complex!

debrag

Tehya wrote: »

The nephew sounds such a charmer, that's a disgusting way to describe anybody but I think you may mean autistic not artistic.

yep autistic lol

Mr_Falling_Star

nocareer wrote: »

I have been told to attend the Jobcentre and draw up an Actionplan for New Deal.

I don't want to take part in it, as they send you on Work Placements with the Mentally Ill, Community Service Offenders etc..

If I refuse to sign up to New Deal will I be sanctioned for the duration of the Programme, or will they cut my benefits completely.

Yes you will certainly be sanctioned. Probably two weeks at first, then four, then 26 weeks. You will be able to claim hardship but unless you are in a "vulnerable" group this doesn't mean a great deal.

But saying that the New Deal provider could take a different tack with you, they could just bug you to death to get you out of your comfort zone. E.g call you in more frequently, make you call round employers in front of you so it really isn't worth the hassle of signing on.

You will have to do a four week work trial at some point, it will wherever that particular provider can fit you in.

I work for a FND provider and I like and respect a lot of my customers (of which a fair proportion no doubt have mental health issues) Who I have problems with are the terminally lazy,feeble and those with a superiority complex

babyontheway

More to the point, what about the poor MH people?
I'm not sure they'd want someone coming to help them with your attitude.
Maybe you could spend your time picking up litter or dog dirt in the local park and leave those poor MH people alone

nocareer

babyontheway wrote: »

More to the point, what about the poor MH people?
I'm not sure they'd want someone coming to help them with your attitude.
Maybe you could spend your time picking up litter or dog dirt in the local park and leave those poor MH people alone

Help Them?

It seems some folk have got the wrong end of the stick? I never said I was going on Work Placement to "Care For" the mentally ill.

A friend of mine was on placement in a charity shop and a Schizo began throttling an elderly woman volunteer for no reason.

These people should be on placements in psychiatric hospitals and the crims should be digging ditches in the countryside, not rubbing shoulders with me.

Arg

Mr_Falling_Star wrote: »

Yes you will certainly be sanctioned. Probably two weeks at first, then four, then 26 weeks. You will be able to claim hardship but unless you are in a "vulnerable" group this doesn't mean a great deal.

If there's dangerous people there it could be grounds for an appeal.

But saying that the New Deal provider could take a different tack with you, they could just bug you to death to get you out of your comfort zone. E.g call you in more frequently, make you call round employers in front of you so it really isn't worth the hassle of signing on.

Same with that.

You will have to do a four week work trial at some point, it will wherever that particular provider can fit you in.

I work for a FND provider and I like and respect a lot of my customers (of which a fair proportion no doubt have mental health issues)

The same way pauline likes mickey? You might be on the dole yourself when the FND gets scrapped then you'll have to get a proper job not one propped up by the government.

System

That is complete and utter crap. People with mental illnesses on the whole tend to be more of a danger to THEMSELVES than other people. God there are some narrowminded and bigoted views on this thread.

I hope the OP gets sanctioned he deserves to be.

chubbs1981

Perhaps you should do a placement at a mental hospital to overcome your predjudices or stereotypes.

You may find it a fascinating experience and one you may wish to contiune on into a career but you will not know until try it.

As for convicted crims having to dig ditches, yes i agree they should if it is part of their punishment. However if they have completed their sentence whether you agree its fitting or not, they have paid their debt and are square with the house.