Benefits shake-up: warning for non-working claimants

debrag

I don't know if this will work but something has to be done. People who generally want to work will do what is asked of them and hopefully have no problems.

I was on JSA last year and hated it, so much so that I got any job I could get. I ended up being out the house all hours of the day and seeing little money for it as I did community care work for slightly above minimum wage. Now I have better hours but on NMW the same as my partner and we can no help at all.

diable

In the future the situation will get worse, a growing population, jobs being lost = more people on benefits thus costing the country more. If UK PLC can't generate enough enough money then they will raise every conceivable tax to generate more money until one day the out goings outstrip the income and it all goes t!ts up.

Invalidation

Sixer wrote: »

Apologies, yes. General to specific, really. I wasn't intending to single you out, but I replied to you as it was you who picked me up on giving a non-partisan, factual response.

To my mind, there are two ways in which posts on this forum continually break its code as posted in the sticky by the site owner:

1. Outright abuse posted by users who seem to trawl every thread looking for someone to denigrate. If they're a benefits claimant, they're fair game.

2. Political and personal opinion about benefits policy dressed up as motivational advice. The more articulate posters use this option, but really the sense of what they are saying is not different to the posters at 1.

People coming to this forum aren't looking for life coaching or moral guidance. They are looking for impartial advice about a complicated benefits system - and the site owner himself insists this is what they should get: no more, no less.

My personal opinion on benefits policy has no bearing on this. However, I do maintain that threads adhering solely to the site owner's instructions are a rarity hereabouts, and that this forum is largely out of control.

Sorry.

Couldnt agree with you more. It would seem there are several posters here who's only raison detre is to either argue or denigrate anyone who is in receipt of benefits or who wishes to claim benefits.

Invalidation

Gemstar30 wrote: »

I have been harping on about this for a couple of years now.
The worst thing that ever happened in this country was when good old Maggie decided that it was everybody's right to a good life, good wages and their own home. From then on it all went downhill fast.
People started believing that they were entitled to what they fancied. Expensive holidays - why not stick 'em on the old plastic. 4 bed detached house, why not tell a few porkies and get a 100% mortgage, new car - hey get some credit, designer clothes - yeah - why not - I want to be a footballer's WAG!!!, can't afford it - get a bank loan.

And then you have council tenants doing the damn same, buying council houses on the cheap!!

There has in this country, always been the have's and the have not's. People should take stock of who they are, where they are and why they are. Some can afford a new 6 bed home others a rented poxy 1 bed flat. Some can just about afford out of wages, a £300 car, others a new £50,000 BMW ever 3 years.

Just accept what you have, what you earn and what it can and cannot buy.

That doesn't mean to say that you don't try to better yourself, but there is a limit for most people.

When we actually stop believing in a fairyland that you are 'entitled' the country will be a lot healthier.

Generally you are either born into a lifestyle or are very very lucky to achieve it out of hard work. The rest of us, we were and still are the pawns of the rich - accept it!!!

Oh so its "You should know your place" and people should never hope or work for something better?
How sick are you?

donny909

Like I have said in this thread and in the past. The entire situation wont be helped if even half the people on benefits (yes myself included being on suspended IB) want to go back to work but cant get propper help and support. Those of us that want to do something are going to be treated in the same way as those that dont want to get back to work.

I and certainly others now will have less chance than ever under the new system to gain funding for direct training and direct qualifications (not that I and others can get that under the current system) to give a genuine chance of improving employment chances over stupid plans available now and in the future.

I'm getting treated as a "you dont want to work" with the "dont take the pi$$ out of benefits" when I know the current training schemes dont work when for a fraction of the cost I know 100% I could get employment and pay that training cost back and give rather than take. Yet for the likes of me under the current system I cant even help myself to get into employment cos X gets XXX funding and I get yyy funding where yyy funding costs a fraction of xxx funding and yyy funding helps me much more to get employment over xxx funding. Yet xxx funding is pretty much an unlimited budget for figures purposes.

john539

diable wrote: »

In the future the situation will get worse, a growing population, jobs being lost = more people on benefits thus costing the country more. If UK PLC can't generate enough enough money then they will raise every conceivable tax to generate more money until one day the out goings outstrip the income and it all goes t!ts up.

It has gone t!ts up and will only get worse as cuts here start to bite & globalisation increases.

Gemstar30

Invalidation wrote: »

Oh so its "You should know your place" and people should never hope or work for something better?
How sick are you?

If you took the time to read what I said you will find that I NEVER said not to work hard and hope for a better future.


'That doesn't mean to say that you don't try to better yourself, but there is a limit for most people.'
When we actually stop believing in a fairyland that you are 'entitled' the country will be a lot healthier.

'Generally you are either born into a lifestyle or are very very lucky to achieve it out of hard work'. The rest of us, we were and still are the pawns of the rich - accept it!!!


What I was saying is that people should get it out of their mind trying to live to a standard that clearly is not matched with their income!!
If they want to live at that improved standard then they must work hard for it or, as I also pointed out, be lucky that you inherit it'

And what is so wrong in accepting your place in society? Money and wealth count for very little if you don't have health or family.
What would you choose?

It has always been the case that the vast majority work to make profits for the minority. That will never change - so stop complaining.

And as for being sick - I am quite content with my life thank you. I know where I stand in society. I don't want to be any different and yes I readilly accept that over my working life, whilst I earned a wage, I earned a lot more for the person that employed me. That's called life and being realistic!!!

Shazwellyn

The media are really making a real mountain out of this welfare change. There do seem to be some positives. I have looked at the whole document and there seems to be reasonable remarks.

I think the following is a useful link, but take care to check the link at the bottom of the article - it takes you to the original white paper (very useful!).

I hope this helps straighten out some negative views:

Universal Credit

This article link on here has been provided to help with readers understanding and has been posted to add to the debate.

Oldernotwiser

donny909 wrote: »

I and certainly others now will have less chance than ever under the new system to gain funding for direct training and direct qualifications (not that I and others can get that under the current system) to give a genuine chance of improving employment chances over stupid plans available now and in the future.

Despite recent cutbacks, there is more funding for training than there was 10 years ago. Your mistake is trying to do this through the JCP rather than through your local college.

roy_harper

My brother was told to work in the !!!!!! section of a distributer.
He refused to go for the interview.
That is the only company local to him that is employing anyone, because all the other industries are obsolete.

Would that count as a strike?

My son's job went when the company went bust.
He was being told to go for interviews 40 miles away, two bus changes and leaving the house at 5 a.m. to start at 9 a.m.

Would that count as a strike?

What I'm getting at, is how much discretion does the individual Jobcentre Plus interviewer have?