Benefits shake-up: warning for non-working claimants

diable

john539 wrote: »

That's not the society we live in anymore, so it won't happen.

It will just cause bigger more expensive problems elsewhere.

One day society won't be able to take care of everyone and brutal choices will have to be made, those that don't pull their weight will be discarded the same way as a sick animal.

john539

diable wrote: »

One day society won't be able to take care of everyone and brutal choices will have to be made, those that don;t pull their weight will be discarded the same way as a sick animal.

No it won't.

There aren't enough jobs & the cuts haven't even started.
The mess was caused by a minority, the banks, the ruling elite & the greedy rich.

Desperate people will do desperate things.

diable

john539 wrote: »

No it won't.

There aren't enough jobs & the cuts haven't even started.
The mess was caused by a minority, the banks, the ruling elite & the greedy rich.

Desperate people will do desperate things.

Money in Money out if it doesn't add up who will pay, screw the rich until they leave it just can't go on.It is time to make your own money and not rely on others.

john539

diable wrote: »

Money in Money out if it doesn't add up who will pay, screw the rich until they leave it just can't go on.It is time to make your own money and not rely on others.

Eaxctly it doesn't add up.

If the jobs aren't there, the jobs aren't there.

If people don't have money, they can't spend, so people can't simply create their own jobs to get money.

FTW

diable wrote: »

If people genuinely do not want to work have no intention of ever finding work and will never ever want to work then they should have their benefits removed if thy starve they starve if they have children then tough luck they should starve also as there are 11000 children on the list for adoption.

If that was meant as a joke, it isn't funny.

sandybabe79

i was sacked for being pregnant and put on reduced income support. i lived off £22 a week for 6 months. if it was not for my mum and dad i would have starved to death and my baby would have to.

im all for working for the community but i feel education is the answer for many. i feel (work) based contribution for education, that are put on this type of workers, real training and recogniton for working. EG:
do some work in an office for example should get you an NVQ in administration. if your working out side, an enviroment NVQ.... you get my drift. Help some of the elderly and get a recognised in care.

I was a cleaner, became disabled and was on the floor forgotton by all. A man called Steven Hawkins gave me a kick as i saw him on the TV if he can do what he can then stop feeling sorry for myself. I started to go to college, i had no GCSEs cse and bad grades, i never attended school. Now i have a HNC and have worked voluntarry for experience, i struggle to care for myself, im a single parent, i have many diffculties, i dont have to work, but i did feel i was put on the scrap heap. while polititions paid out of the same purse, for very high wages and expencies. Who would the tax payer rather pay, someone who was trying very hard to do better. or real spungers who are the real tax payers burden

CFC

frank_begbie wrote: »

I have no problem with that, as long as the job pays enough to have a reasonable way of life.
If you want a better lifestyle you have to improve yourself.

But it depends on what your definition is of a 'reasonable way of life'. If it feeds you and keeps some kind of roof over your head, ie does not pay much more than benefits, will you consider that to be reasonable, or unreasonable. When I say 'lower standard of living', that's the kind of level I am thinking of.

CFC

Gemstar30 wrote: »

If you are saying that it is unfair that others have more than you - well just accept it. It's been like that for over 500 years and it will continue to be so.

You are either born into wealth or are lucky to create it. The rest of us are best to accept where we stand.

It's not the system that is unfair, unless you believe that everybody should be equal with equal amounts of money and equality in life.

If so, you are in favour of a communist state. Look what happened to the USSR?

It will never happen, and the sooner we all accept our lot in life the better it will be. As I said, the state of this country is because people have expected to have more than what they have or earn.

Truth +1. And frank begbie, if you are really honest in your desire to be driven by fairness, is it fair that you receive benefits while those who are unlucky enough to have been born poor in a poor third world country do not even have a tap in their village? It's easy to make big eyes at what other people have who are more fortunate than you, but how often do you reverse the picture? Would you donate some part of your benefits to alleviate their poverty?

BLT_2

cit_k wrote: »

Is MSE physcic now?

This is a white paper, it needs further stages before it even gets to bill stage, then it has to be debated, and agreed in parliament.

Yet MSE seems to be saying it WILL happen, instead of making it clear it needs to be debated/cleared through parliament.

It's an MSE "researcher' - that means the detail is as useful as a colander with no holes

zaksmum

diable wrote: »

It just ruffles feathers and gets peoples backs uo.

If people genuinely do not want to work have no intention of ever finding work and will never ever want to work then they should have their benefits removed if thy starve they starve if they have children then tough luck they should starve also as there are 11000 children on the list for adoption.

Our society will never let children starve. There will be people who will say, a friend is feeding them but can't afford to feed their kids too. So someone will have to feed them.

And how will adding to the 11000 kids on the adoption list help matters?

This so called benefits crackdown hasn't had much thought put into it at all.

It's just not going to work.