I am not sure where to put this so bear with me,insulted at Asda

lisyloo

I am new to the site and I come on to look at ways to save money, not to read people having discussions about the philosophical dilemmas within society!! or to insult each other.

In general most of the threads are money saving ones and there are special places for discussion like the "Money savers arms".

This thread was put in the wrong place.
As the orginal poster asked us to "bear with me" in the title then I think most people were willing to do that.

If you are focussed on a particular issue or are very busy then the titles should help you focus on the right threads.
I think the title of this thread makes it pretty obvious it's going to be a discussion and not a money saving suggestion.
Whether it's "I hate MFI" or "save £10 at Tescos", the title should give you a clue about the contents.

no-one got anything happy to say?

Welcome to the boards.
There are many helpful people here and a lot of really useful information.
I entered the "Britains best moneysaver" competition and when I wrote it all down I realised that I had saved £10K in a year !!!!
So it really is possible to make big savings.

I hope you get what you are looking for.
Just don't waste time of the stuff you aren't interested in.

sparklybug

hi

thanks for the reply lisyloo, I wasn't referring to the original post but the mass amount of abuse that was being banded about which is beyond a discussion. Anywho...ironically I am adding to a discussion which is way off thread so I'm off to find some bargains

circuit

lisyloo wrote:

BTW - My building society has signs up for people training. A local clothes shop has badges for people who are new and training.

I really don't see that I'm so wide of the mark as this is already in use by several companies.
These people don't seem to feel humiliated and labelled, but it's useful to both staff AND customers.

A sign or a badge for someone who's training is very different to a sign or a badge saying someone has a learning disability. I have read this thread all the way through, and am quite shocked at some of the language and ideas in use here. Stuff like this is no good for the reputation of the site.

Turning_into_scrooge

bexxie90 wrote:

Hi all
Please move if in wrong place but I need some advice

On the 14th September I visited my local Asda store. I am quite obviouley pregnant and whilst trying to put shopping on the checkout conveyor i was struggling a lot as the trolley still had items in,it was all over conveyor and cashier going like a good 'un piling it up. I said to him would you mind either slowing down or helping me just for a minute or so,which he did. Now you have to imagine that i am having a job even reaching over to get bags and pack with my belly in the way,when he says to me "are you pregnant" so I reply yes as you can see me having job here packing~~HINT HINT

So he then turns round and says "OOH lovely,how many times did it take you to conceive"? And leerily eyes me up and down for rest of shopping packing....he was creepy with a really effeminate mannor (not against that by the way) just cringy horrid feeling i got off him. Now my hormones are okay so it isnt a reaction on my part as frind with me said "You know why I didnt want that till now" Thanks!!

The other problem i had was a disgusting off chicken,smelt disgusting and was dirty.................

So i get home and next day i e-mail and wait.nothing so on Saturday just gone 23rd I spoke to the store manager and all I got was "OH right well esy he is a little slow so to speak will have words with him" When I mentioned the chicken nothing was replied they couldnt wait to get off the phone........

What do I do here?
Am I over-reacting?
Please advise cos I feel i am going mad.......

B

I would of left the shopping there and walked out and gone elsewhere, but i'm not pregnant, easy for me to do. I hope you will/have made a formal complaint about this to head office as well as the store you were shopping in.

hammy_the_hammer

you posted

"I have noticed that Asda do employ quite a few 'special needs' staff

I have mixed feelings about this.

One reaction is that I think this is great.

However on the other hand, when I am paying for a service I don't expect to have to make "allowances" especially when I haven't been warned about it.

In my local Boots there is a deaf lady that serves on the till. She has a badge which says she is a "lipreader".
When I see this I make a special effort to speak clearly and make sure that I'm looking in her direction i.e. she can see my face.
So clearly there are things people can do to help IF they are warned unfront."

sorry this and your last post don't wash....if you are in a shop it's an ignorant trait not to look someone in the face when conducting themselves at the till ...maybe the lady has the badge on as a hint for ignorant people. in Boots i don't remember people shovelling stuff on to conveyor belts and the like . if i'm in asda there's always a queue and the conversation goes "hello would you like help packing " ..i reply "no thanks" and the person scans the items while we pack them ...they then say "that'll be £57.50 "....now whether you want to believe me or not i find it quite normal to offer them payment while looking at them and they me in return...we could then discuss whatever but i'd still look at that person...of course there's the complete idiots who decide it's important to ring their mum on the mobile at the moment they are going through the checkout and don't give two whatevers about what's happening around them and just grunt at the shop assistant without maintaining eye contact ...but as an experiment i'll try and go round all day and talk to people without bothering to look at them.

you then posted

"I would prefer to know that the person on the til has special needs so that I can either make an effort to be understanding OR if I'm on the way to a funeral (bad mood) or in a real rush then I can go to another til so that I don't have to "make allowances" on that occassion."

i can only read this one way ...if you were in a rush and saw someone who could have downs syndrome working on a till you'd go to another one because the person with downs syndrome couldn't deal with you as competently as the 'normal' unbadged person on the next till ...of course you know neither of these people ....but maybe a badge scheme could confirm your unbased , discriminatory attitude. the guy whose lost both his legs in the war has a special needs badge because he has to stand at the till rather than sit due to his false joints ....do we need to badge him as it doesn't prevent him from doing 'the job' but might seem strange to a small minority of customers? the fact that his needs are different and he's in your badged scheme would mean that you'd go to another till cause you're in a rush even though he may be the fastest and most competent checkout operator in the west.
i'm not sure i can be grateful that you can make an effort if you know someone has special needs .

you then said

"I do think that Asda are taking a liberty in expecting people to accept a lower standard of service without giving them any warning whatsoever.
I think to be fearful/hostile is an entire natural reaction to strange behaviour if it is unexpected. Many people do not have wide experience with this behaviour and may interpret it wrongly."

again you make huge discriminatory assumptions ....reading the above on it's own i would think you were talking about going shopping and asda let you get right the way around the supermarket ,filling your trolley up and then when you get to the tills there's only 1 open because all the others malfunctioned 2 days ago . you're now in a queue of 50 people and you think why didn't asda tell me this before i started (quite rightly).
however you assume that 'these people' are giving a lower standard of service ...not based on customer surveys , annual appraisements etc but because they are disabled. ...sharon who goes out till 4am every friday night and is away with the fairies for most of saturday while muddling through with the job isn't badged because she isn't disabled.

lastly you said
"Also I may be totally barking up the wrong tree here, but are Asda taking advantage? i.e. paying these people less.
My sister (who is mentally ill) works for the council.
She is supported by a grant from a charity which is meant to pay for her replacement when she has time of sick with her disability.
The council take the money and don't pay for a replacement.
Hence they are taking on a disabled person purely for their own profit.
I could be totally wrong but it does raise the question of whether this is being done for profit rather than altruistic reasons."

no asda are being inclusive and non-discriminatory ...in fact they are abiding by the law and i would promote them as a company that go far beyond the minimum they need to do just to satisfy the law. your talk of paying disabled people less is of course nonsense as they would find themselves in front of an Employment Tribunal quicker than something incredibly quick.
what a great scheme that charity has for paying for a replacement while your sister is off sick. i'm afraid i'm a stickler for being straight ...if like you i knew that the council were defrauding this good natured charity i would have to go to the ombudsman. your sister would be ok because it would be unlawful to make that arrangement a condition of employment. councils don't make profits and if they employed your sister with the intention of 'making a profit' by receiving the money only when your sister was off sick ...they'd be a bit stupid because there's no guarantee that she'll be off with her disability.
i suspect you have the total wrong end of a stick

the internets a great tool ...educate yourself if it's not too late on disability issues. try the DRC for starters and see if your employer work will incorporate diversity training into the workplace

hammy_the_hammer

circuit wrote:

A sign or a badge for someone who's training is very different to a sign or a badge saying someone has a learning disability. I have read this thread all the way through, and am quite shocked at some of the language and ideas in use here. Stuff like this is no good for the reputation of the site.

well said
put far more clearly than i could

hammy_the_hammer

bexxie90 wrote:

Do you thnk everything is done by speech alone? There are mannerisms,body language etc etc,I am deaf and I lip-read but am not totally, I can hear high pitched and this was most definatley prominent in his case,I will go into every nitty gritty detail if you wish,I will mention how he licked his lips when asking about the conception ,I didn't mention before as concluded this was way too much information,I know when somone is being not friendly and a normal conversationalist he was eyeing me big time,the whole thing didn't have to be deduced by speech alone. And when he mentioned the conception I was looking at him as I was looking to see if he had put the meat into another bag,so that is maybe a minor detail but I will go into everything else if you like.

I should have gone straight to CS I realise that now,but I was tired,shocked,angry,upset and had quite a drive to get home and my friends baby was crying with hunger........

i can't picture how you can be sure someone is effeminate ( i didn't understand the relevance, especially an effeminate man leering over a woman???) who is working confined behind a till , wearing an asda uniform and you can only detect a high pitch in his voice (alan ball ?? ).
licking your lips when talking to a woman and eyeing her big time are hardly the actions of Mr Humphries in 'Are You Being Served' are they?
i would describe that as 'pervy' in laymans terms

bexxie90

I tell you what if you are interested we can do a course together on body language oh and gut instincts and intuition. I can understand the points you raised in the post above the one you quoted me,but dont you dare be so presumptious and patronising,you weren't there,you *do not* know the level of my *disability* and after all if you are that defensive of these *pervy* guys then all i can say is it must take one to know one. Oops am sorry I am insinuating something here that I can't possibly know anything about as I do not know you....
I am asking for this thread to now be closed,as it has gone far enough. You sound like an intelligent person but I feel youhave been far too judgemental of a situation you were not in. Sometimes when having to write thiongs down they come across a lot different to how you would say things.

By the way In am too young to know who Mr Humphries is :-)

blessings3

Just got to have my tuppance worth here and will probably upset people but Hey Ho

I have a son with special needs and do alot with a special needs charity that helps to ''provide'' work for people with disabilities but i would not want to be served in Asda or any other super market by anyone with a disablity that involved major problems in social communication/ I have no problem with facing someone who need to lip read but I am paying for a certain level of service and competance and convenience and for me that does not mean having to deal with innaproprite coments and interaction,

Re the badges - I was reluctant to have my son diagnosed and ''labelled'' as he has ADHD - is very intelligent and ''looks normal'' , however his behaviour at school ,ment he had a terrible reputation no friends and was never invited to parties etc -

Two years ago as a family we had a seminal moment and decided to have him diagnosed and stamented at school - he now has full time one 121 teaching with a specialist special need teacher within the main classroom enviroment and I actually started telling other parents that Harry was special needs - The differnce is so vast as to be untrue! the aceptance and friendship and help he now recives from other children is incrediable and the parents of one child who harry quite badly hurt in nursery class now actually smiles and talks to me at the School gates after 4 years of frosty glances

Accepting a diability is sometimes more important than having one

blessings3

PS I have dyxlexia and dial up so spell check takes forever