Metro Penalty Fare Notice

geordieracer

taffy056 wrote: »

Where did I tell you that?

You didnt but your obviously such a moneyskankingexpert that i will bow down to your knowledge as you know more then me.


i may come and burgle you soon because i dont think the burglary laws are just and proper nor enforceable;)

taffy056

Livingthedream wrote: »

Correct, however, the Railway companies ain't daft and have a fail safe means to get you, they will cancel the penalty fare or unpaid fare notice and issue a summons under;

i) the strict liability offence of 'Fail to show a valid ticket' contrary to National Railway Byelaw 18.1 (2005)

or

ii) 'intent to avoid a rail fare' contrary to Section 5.3.a of The Regulation of Railways Act (1889)

Which both are a criminal offence and are dealt with in a magistrates court.

Its too good a cash cow for the railway's to give up and as you rightly stated most people are intimidated into paying out rightly or wrongly.

Yes but I am only saying that PFN are not enforceable, at some point their use to force people to pay will be challenged, because most people would give up when they realise that a court is the next step. I would say to go to court if you have a cast iron defence which by the way the OP does not have.

The whole argument above is about whether a child should be relied upon to give a slip of paper to their parents, the parents should be involved straight from the off, and given a chance to make amends before the rail company increase their profits by their cash cow!

geordieracer

taffy056 wrote: »

Thanks and you too

Its not a notice of the penalty fare. It IS a penalty fare.. nothing else.

Yes but I am only saying that PFN are not enforceable,

they are enforceable so your wrong again love.

Livingthedream

geordieracer wrote: »

hiring staff costs money you know.

Lol, I know, but wouldn't it be more cost effective to get the train managers to check tickets instead of reading newspaper at the back of the train.:D

taffy056

geordieracer wrote: »

You didnt but your obviously such a moneyskankingexpert that i will bow down to your knowledge as you know more then me.


i may come and burgle you soon because i dont think the burglary laws are just and proper nor enforceable;)

So you lower yourself to personal insults now by calling me a skank, which applies to certain women I believe, calling a bloke that is quite funny!

And your comparisons to other matters such as burglary is not relevant

taffy056

geordieracer wrote: »

they are enforceable so your wrong again love.

They are not enforceable unless the company sues and takes you to court, and the person presiding agrees that it so.

And don't call me love, I don't swing that way!

geordieracer

Livingthedream wrote: »

Lol, I know, but wouldn't it be more cost effective to get the train managers to check tickets instead of reading newspaper at the back of the train.:D

but not all trains have train managers...

We are not perfect but where we can we are

geordieracer

taffy056 wrote: »

They are not enforceable unless the company sues and takes you to court, and the person presiding agrees that it so.

And don't call me love, I don't swing that way!

By the sounds of things you would swing anyway.

Ok then - go on a train without a ticket and let us all knows what happens when you get caught..

It wont be pretty

Livingthedream

taffy056 wrote: »

Yes but I am only saying that PFN are not enforceable, at some point their use to force people to pay will be challenged, because most people would give up when they realise that a court is the next step. I would say to go to court if you have a cast iron defence which by the way the OP does not have.

Problem is as I stated they cancel the Penalty fare or Unpaid fare Notice and prosecute under bye laws to which you normally have no defence. If you do have a defence, the train companies drop the case like a lead balloon as they don't want to set a precedent in court, which would open the flood gates to counter claims, they the 'train company' are very much in control I'm sorry to say.

taffy056 wrote: »

The whole argument above is about whether a child should be relied upon to give a slip of paper to their parents, the parents should be involved straight from the off, and given a chance to make amends before the rail company increase their profits by their cash cow!

Having read the whole thread, IMHO I think my 14 year son would have done the same and tried to have hidden it from me. I think the train companies should follow up with offences involving minors, ie a letter sent to the home address, not that this helps the OP much

geordieracer wrote: »

but not all trains have train managers...

We are not perfect but where we can we are

True :beer:

geordieracer

Livingthedream wrote: »

True :beer:

As odd as it may seem in this thread - I actually help more folk then i get noidy at...


as long as people do the right thing to us we(i ) will do the right thing to them...