Metro Penalty Fare Notice

king100

Well this post has certainly got some people wired.

Just to address some points raised.

Police do not issue speeding fines for 31 mph in a 30 mph.

They just cannot prove it. I have even asked traffic ops who state that each force have different rules 10% +1, 10%, 10% plus 3.

You wouldent be able to tell whether you are travelling at 31 or 30 as difference is so small.

In terms of this post in regards to the penalty notice. Geordieracer you need to calm down. No one is disputing that she doesnt deserve the penalty charge, fine, whatever you want to call it.

What people dispute is the fact

The company didnt contact the parents, you can pull the age of criminal responsibility but this isnt a criminal matter.

I ask you a question, what ticket did she need to purchase?

Is it an adult ticket or a child ticket? Thus they should be treated as such.

4.32 People at risk. Authorised collectors must take special care with children and other vulnerable passengers, such as people who are elderly, frail or heavily pregnant. This is particularly important at night or on last trains. In particular, children or other people at risk must not be left without enough money to return home, for example, if they need a bus fare or money for a phone call when they reach their destination. In the case of children, if an authorised collector decides to charge a penalty fare, no payment should normally be taken on the spot. Instead, the authorised collector should tell the child to hand the penalty fare notice to his or her parents or guardian when they return home. In such cases, authorised collectors must also be given the discretion to make the penalty fare notice valid for the child to travel to their final destination.

Would be interested in your thoughts? Did they advise her to hand the penalty charge notice to parents? That inturn accepts that the parents have a right to be informed otherwise they would say,

" Go home and pay the fine by yourself but dont tell your parents"

They must have made a note of her age?

It is just another case mindless robots churning out the same drivel of letters and charging fees that dont warrent the cost?

Can you please also find me the regulation, law standard and again whatever you want to call it that justfies that amount on admin.

I could churn out letters at a rate of 60 an hour, admin fee is not £30 per letter more like £5.

susiecm3

Hi OP, hope you manage to get this sorted, i stopped reading the silly replies by page 3, i fully agree your dd could be doing a lot worse and fully agree that they should have wrote to you before the 21 days was up, i happen to agree that it sounds like a ploy!!!

I was on the metro on saturday with a ticket i may add, a girl about your dd's age unfortunatly did not have a ticket, which i totally do not agree with but it happens, in the end by the time they took her off the train at south gosforth she had 6 men and woman ticket officers surrounding her!!!! Now i am a frequent metro user and have seen the officers getting shouted and threatened by all ages but this gril was quite clearly frightened and there was no need for such tactics, i just hope she lets her parents know before she gets a silly fine!!

I actually like getting my ticket checked, makes it feel like you have paid for a reason, i have even paid for a child to get on a metro after seeing them trying to work out if they had enough for train fares, sorry i must not be that old because i still remember doing silly things like spending my metro money when i was a kid, although we were that frightened to get caught we walked from Whitley bay to Wallsend many time ha ha

bigturnip

If the child is deemed old enough to pay the penalty fare on their own, why are they deemed not old enough to pay the increased penalty on their own?

king100

bigturnip wrote: »

If the child is deemed old enough to pay the penalty fare on their own, why are they deemed not old enough to pay the increased penalty on their own?

But they are not!!!!

4.32 People at risk. Authorised collectors must take special care with children and other vulnerable passengers, such as people who are elderly, frail or heavily pregnant. This is particularly important at night or on last trains. In particular, children or other people at risk must not be left without enough money to return home, for example, if they need a bus fare or money for a phone call when they reach their destination. In the case of children, if an authorised collector decides to charge a penalty fare, no payment should normally be taken on the spot. Instead, the authorised collector should tell the child to hand the penalty fare notice to his or her parents or guardian when they return home. In such cases, authorised collectors must also be given the discretion to make the penalty fare notice valid for the child to travel to their final destination.


Purchased a child ticket, therefore in eyes of train they are a child, otherwise they purchase an adult ticket. Cant go both ways when they want.

bigturnip

king100 wrote: »

But they are not!!!!

But they obviously are, as that is how the train company have acted.

king100

bigturnip wrote: »

But they obviously are, as that is how the train company have acted.

How the train company has acted and how they should act are two different things.

Those are guidelines on what they should do in regards to children.

Freddie_Snowbits

macthemountie wrote: »

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Well done. By the look of your photo you have obviously never had kids of your own. To label my daughter as a fare dodger because she had no ticket to produce is grossly unfair.

Did your precious daughter have a ticket when requested.

Answer no.

In the fat of the land, that is a Fare Dodger. As for the OP, another on the Bored for the absolution of their offsprings crime.

I am of the ilk, that tickets should be purchased prioir to travel, on buses, trams and trains, and self clipped. When the inspector comes on, those without correct tickest should be dealt with in a punative way, such as 20 times the weekly season ticket cost. Detterant works.

You have been Freddied.

king100

Freddie_Snowbits wrote: »

Did your precious daughter have a ticket when requested.

Answer no.

In the fat of the land, that is a Fare Dodger. As for the OP, another on the Bored for the absolution of their offsprings crime.

I am of the ilk, that tickets should be purchased prioir to travel, on buses, trams and trains, and self clipped. When the inspector comes on, those without correct tickest should be dealt with in a punative way, such as 20 times the weekly season ticket cost. Detterant works.

You have lost the plot.

Well done freddie, you managed to read absolutely nothing about the post. She doesnt deny her child didnt fare dodge. The whole arguement is about the Train company telling the parents as the fine has occured an admin charge.

She is 15 years old thus a child and her parents should have been told so as to rectify the situation. They should have told her to pass the fine onto her parents.

As to purchase tickets prior to travel this is not always possible. Buses still have conductors in london that you buy from. Train stations machines dont work, so hey maybe I should stand there until its fixed. Many times I have travelled with out a ticket only to purchase one on board or at nearest change of trains.

Freddie_Snowbits

king100 wrote: »

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Well done freddie, you managed to read absolutely nothing about the post.

I have better things to do. As for telling the parent, is the offender so struck they have lost the ability to speak? The notice was given to the offender, if they cannot open their mouths, perhaps that is where the fault lies, the parent child interface, not the train company.

next

king100

Regardless if offender can or cannot open mouth the arguement is that for the train/tram company to issue fines they must have guidelines on how to deal with children, as she had a child ticket she is classed as a child. For them to just send her on her way is unacceptable. If my son or daughter got caught I would expect a letter from the company involved explaining me of the situation.

So do you normally just read the 1st post then comment?