my son wants to get custody for his son

Loopy_Girl

Does he?

Well we only have the OP's word for that of course

blue_monkey_2

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

But the Mum wasn't there? Surely the baby deserves to have one of his parent's there and as your Son has full PRR, then there was no reason for him not to be there.

Sorry but you slate baby's Mum and he doesn't do much better....any parent will tell you that nothing and no one will keep you from your child particularly when it's a tiny newborn in hospital.

You have been told the nurse told them to stay away that night as instructed by the mother - would it be better he turned up there demanding to see his baby. This is no normal situation and I am sure that it is painful enough as it is but to know your child is in hospital and yet are told you cannot go and see him/her. I am not sure about yours but our local paediatric ward is behind locked doors so it is not like you can just walk in, you have to be admitted - and at night, unless it is a dire emergency, you have no chance.

What more is it you want from the OP? For her to leave the child where he is despite SW telling him to go for residency and giving him a letter that say the same??

Bizarre.

tweetie_pie_3

one_hot_minute wrote: »

Are you addressing me? I've not said anyone was pathetic or that everyone with an unfit mother continued on that path. You're getting a bit ranty at me for absolutely no reason so I'd urge you to wind your neck in.

But its very frightening how readily you are willing to assume that this girl doesnt want her kid and to advocate snatching based on some very vague facts presented here rather than be objective. You're letting your past sway you here and being very subjective.

For the record, you don't know my circs so please dont make assumptions re what I have or haven't been through in my life. I also love how its ok for the poor lad (who had we not questioned it, would have been persuaded to believe was trapped by this harlot! *sarcastic*) is allowed to be terrified, but not the young mum.

These families are pulling this baby around as it it were a toy to fight over, when they could be collating their efforts to ensure the absolute wellbeing of all involved. its a shame.

We are not fighting over him like a toy as mum is not fighting she has already said she dont want him but her mum wont let her so i think that is y she is going against anything sw say so she loses him but still get a relationship with her mum
My son was fine with just having access but the more its going on the worse it is getting
If we wanted to snatch baby away i wouldnt have persuaded mum to not walk out of meeting id have let her go cos i knew they would have gone to court straight away and she would have no chance in keeping him we have tried and tried to give her advice and gave her every chance but its just getting worse now and we r not going to sit back and watch him being not wanted its not fair on baby
btw if mum really wanted him wouldnt she have been there with her baby and why did she come up as soon as baby came out of hospital saying my son can have him until 2moro night
He is here now and son has done everything since his been here and rocking him to sleep as i type this

blue_monkey_2

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Does he?

Well we only have the OP's word for that of course

As with ANY post on these forums.

Why the questioning - what is it you actually want or are trying to prove here? That all birth mothers have to bring up their children whether they want to or not? I am confused why you feel you all have to berate the OP in the manner that you are.

Loopy_Girl

blue_monkey wrote: »

You have been told the nurse told them to stay away that night as instructed by the mother - would it be better he turned up there demanding to see his baby. This is no normal situation and I am sure that it is painful enough as it is but to know your child is in hospital and yet are told you cannot go and see him/her. I am not sure about yours but our local paediatric ward is behind locked doors so it is not like you can just walk in, you have to be admitted - and at night, unless it is a dire emergency, you have no chance.

Yes, that's exactly what I would expect from a concerned parent. The nurses would have no right not to let him see his Son as he has PPR.

blue_monkey_2

tweetie_pie wrote: »

We are not fighting over him like a toy as mum is not fighting she has already said she dont want him but her mum wont let her so i think that is y she is going against anything sw say so she loses him but still get a relationship with her mum
My son was fine with just having access but the more its going on the worse it is getting
If we wanted to snatch baby away i wouldnt have persuaded mum to not walk out of meeting id have let her go cos i knew they would have gone to court straight away and she would have no chance in keeping him we have tried and tried to give her advice and gave her every chance but its just getting worse now and we r not going to sit back and watch him being not wanted its not fair on baby
btw if mum really wanted him wouldnt she have been there with her baby and why did she come up as soon as baby came out of hospital saying my son can have him until 2moro night
He is here now and son has done everything since his been here and rocking him to sleep as i type this

I think you have defending yourself enough to be honest OP. Good luck for the future - for all of you.

You have done all that you can to help the mum so now you have to think of the baby and put his interests first.

gizmo111

tweetie_pie wrote: »

Yes a lesson learnt
We have tried everything to help her and even the solicitor has said they have tried and have issued her a letter that states that are worried about him and if she dont attend with her solicitor baby will be taken into care, solicitor said thats why sw gave my son a copy of the letter cos they r giving him the green light to go ahead and that is y sw came round here wednesday to get things in action in case mum doesnt do as they say as she hasnt so far

If she doesn't attend what with her solicitor? Your solicitor is looking into residency for your son and cannot go making threats to the mother over care proceedings. What does this letter from the social worker say?


I think this is what is happening and you are either getting the terminology wrong or are misinterpreting the procedures.

GS is subject to CP Plan
CP Plan is seeing no improvement and is not sufficient to protect child.
SS have sought legal advice, and been advised to follow PLO (Public Law Outline)
Your son has been sent a letter from SS telling you that PLO is being followed and advising him to take it to a solicitor (standard letter)
SW has talked broadly about long term options for baby, whcih would include residency.
Your son as father to child sbject to CP proceedings is entitled to copies of all relevant docs. You are keeping these safe for him.

You have taken all of the above to mean that SS fully support your son in residency and are giving you confidential docs as evidence to prove your case. What actually is happening is that SS are on the verge of issuing care proceedings and will be looking at if this child should be placed in or out of the family whilst assessments are undertaken and permenancy is planned.

blue_monkey_2

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Yes, that's exactly what I would expect from a concerned parent. The nurses would have no right not to let him see his Son as he has PPR.

Lots of parents have PPR but are also not allowed to be around their children for any number of reasons - and a lot of those children are also on the CPR so the nurses do what they have to do. Causing an argument with nurses in light of things going on is not the best pan of anction for anyone. The mother could have told them anything and as you were not there, you do not know what was said or what happened.

What is important is what happens now and in the future. The SW clearly think it is important for this baby to be with his paternal family so they obviously know more than you do on the situation.

Loopy_Girl

blue_monkey wrote: »

As with ANY post on these forums.

Why the questioning - what is it you actually want or are trying to prove here? That all birth mothers have to bring up their children whether they want to or not? I am confused why you feel you all have to berate the OP in the manner that you are.

What is it with you thinking that you can decide what gets posted in here? If the OP doesn't want to post anymore then she doesn't have to - much like you I guess. No need to be confused as it's actually none of your business why people are asking the questions...as I've said before - when you air your dirty laundry on a public forum then you take what you get.

Notice on page 1 where the OP says she is not going to say any stories as to respect the baby Mum and Granny privacy...and yet here we are, pages later, and most of the tittle tattle that the OP has provided is unsolicited and off her own back at an attempt to smear the other family. Here's hoping that a SW working on this case doesn't stumble upon it as it would be easy to identify all involved and some of these claims made by the OP could be construed as slanderous.

gizmo111

blue_monkey wrote: »

What more is it you want from the OP? For her to leave the child where he is despite SW telling him to go for residency and giving him a letter that say the same??

Bizarre.

Social workers simply don't do this, it is far out of their remit to give letters to pass on to solicitors, they are not legal experts, the expectation is that solicitors for families correspond with the local authorities legal dept. They do not advise directly to go for any type of order and in any event it would be private law if he were doing that and outwith the local authority powers. A SW can recommend to a court a particular order, but not direct like the OP is implying.