Anyone heard of Shieldtex/Turner enterprises? and general advice on rendering needed.

ewcs

keystone wrote: »

Once again please justify the £ 5-6k price tag.

Cheers

The quote, houses are 10 mtrs high was made in an earlier thread by diggerman, i was pointing out his mistake, a house is usually to facia board height 5.4 meters not 10 as he stated. A three bed semi is around 90/110 mtrs externallly, works out out 20 mtrs x 5.4 mtrs = total meterage of 108. Diggermans figures for same property would of been 20 mtrs x 10 mtrs = total meterage of 200. 92mtrs over measure, was i wrong to point that out!!! oops silly me spamming again was i.

keystone

ewcs wrote: »

was i wrong to point that out!!! oops silly me spamming again was i.

No you weren't wrong at all but you only looked at the bottom post that I quoted.

OK lets try and make it simple. You said (taking stuff from what you have written) :

1. A typical 3 bed semi is 90 - 110 square metres.

2. With these modern systems you should be paying no more than 25% over the cost of a conventional sand/cement render solution.

3. You said with these modern systems a 3 bed semi can be done for £6k which figure you have subsequently modified to £ 5-6k.

Plasterer says he will happily rerender a 3 bed semi using traditional materials for about half.

25% higher than half is iro £4k So how do you justify a £ 6k price tag please? Oh and BTW it seems to me that you may have forgotten those strange things called windows and doors which reduce the area to be treated by a fairly substantial degree.

Cheers

keystone

Bumpity bump.

ewcs

keystone wrote: »

No you weren't wrong at all but you only looked at the bottom post that I quoted.

OK lets try and make it simple. You said (taking stuff from what you have written) :

1. A typical 3 bed semi is 90 - 110 square metres.

2. With these modern systems you should be paying no more than 25% over the cost of a conventional sand/cement render solution.

3. You said with these modern systems a 3 bed semi can be done for £6k which figure you have subsequently modified to £ 5-6k.

Plasterer says he will happily rerender a 3 bed semi using traditional materials for about half.

25% higher than half is iro £4k So how do you justify a £ 6k price tag please? Oh and BTW it seems to me that you may have forgotten those strange things called windows and doors which reduce the area to be treated by a fairly substantial degree.

Cheers

I stated a 3 bed semi can be done for 6k yes, thats the max price, usually averages out around £5.5, plasterer says he will happily render for about half! explain exactly `what about half` means, is it £3100 or £3500 or £3800 because until the job is viewed it can`t be quoted to a final figure. We can all pluck randoms figures out of the air.
As for your statement about those strange things called windows and doors, all renderers/plasterers would prefer no window or door openings, if you ever applied these systems you would know that beading up a 3 bead semi can take 3/4 hours, and uses more material because of this.

keystone

I don't know - thats what he said. Perhaps he'll come back and tell us. I'm just interested to hear, in the context of that statement how a 25% increase over sand/cement can turn out to be £2k higher than such a 25% uplift would indicate thats all.

Anyway if you include the windows and doors then the average 3 bed semi must be considerably less than 100m2 in terms of materials required and you said its the materials that are so much more expensive which is fine but the numbers don't compute as you have expressed them.

Oh and I thought you said that ALL beading will demonstrate cracking in due course - or did I misread that?

Cheers

PS I'm not plucking random figures out of the air - I'm quoting what you said!

Plasterer

keystone wrote: »

I don't know - thats what he said. Perhaps he'll come back and tell us.

Half a bacon sandwhich and half a crown.

ewcs

keystone wrote: »

I don't know - thats what he said. Perhaps he'll come back and tell us. I'm just interested to hear, in the context of that statement how a 25% increase over sand/cement can turn out to be £2k higher than such a 25% uplift would indicate thats all.

Anyway if you include the windows and doors then the average 3 bed semi must be considerably less than 100m2 in terms of materials required and you said its the materials that are so much more expensive which is fine but the numbers don't compute as you have expressed them.

Oh and I thought you said that ALL beading will demonstrate cracking in due course - or did I misread that?

Cheers

PS I'm not plucking random figures out of the air - I'm quoting what you said!

No you did not misread nothing, traditional sand & cement will hairline crack around beaded areas, thats a fact! go look at traditional rendered properties and the evidence is there to see, these are known as stress areas, the newer systems use a fibre mesh to prevent this, your just proving which each statement how very little you know past your traditional render

ewcs

ewcs wrote: »

No you did not misread nothing, traditional sand & cement will hairline crack around beaded areas, thats a fact! go look at traditional rendered properties and the evidence is there to see, these are known as stress areas, the newer systems use a fibre mesh to prevent this, your just proving which each statement how very little you know past your traditional render

And on the 25% issue, usually a 3 bed semi in traditional sand & cement is around £4k with sand, cement, waterproofer, stainless steel beads, scaffold, skip, labour, paint, labour to paint +25% of that is £5k.
Oh and before you harp on again! if the property needs render to be hacked off etc, your £4k could become £4.4k and + 25% of that is £5.5k, my my is that a figure i quoted earlier.

ewcs

ewcs wrote: »

And on the 25% issue, usually a 3 bed semi in traditional sand & cement is around £4k with sand, cement, waterproofer, stainless steel beads, scaffold, skip, labour, paint, labour to paint +25% of that is £5k.
Oh and before you harp on again! if the property needs render to be hacked off etc, your £4k could become £4.4k and + 25% of that is £5.5k, my my is that a figure i quoted earlier.

oh and by the way, i don`t know if this may of passed your notice, but plasterer charged £900 to complete just 18mtrs, that works out £50 a mtr, a 3 bed semi is over a 100 and he can do it for £3k, now those figures don`t add up to me.

Plasterer

ewcs wrote: »

oh and by the way, i don`t know if this may of passed your notice, but plasterer charged £900 to complete just 18mtrs, that works out £50 a mtr, a 3 bed semi is over a 100 and he can do it for £3k, now those figures don`t add up to me.

Simple economics will answer this. Jeez