Baby Milk Price Hike!

SugarSpun

MrsTine wrote: »

I'm with you on that one! I wonder though if the few bad apples (who frankly sound like uncaring mums wanting to go clubbing leaving a baby at home!) is what is causing some of the prejudice against the rest of us?

I imagine it's the same sort of thing that happens everywhere - the extreme minority makes the moderate majority look bad.

I used to be a vegetarian (couldn't manage while pregnant and craving rare meat nomnomnom). The amount of abuse I got from people who assumed that because I wasn't eating meat that meant that I was thinking badly of them for eating it was unbelievable. But people felt the need to justify themselves to veggie me because of other veggies who'd abused them for their choices. As far as I was concerned, what was on their plates was only of interest to me if it was something I was allowed/would want to taste-test and there was no moral question sitting on the plate.

Friends of mine are religious (two separate religions) moderates. They're all wonderful people who keep their beliefs quiet because of the response from people who either think they're holier-than-thou judgey types or terrorists.

As a BFing mummy I'm very conscious that some people feel that just by being a BFing mummy I'm judging people for not doing it. But the same thing applies. What's on other people's plates is only of interest to me if I am in some way concerned with it. If not then it's not my business.

Edit: JBD I was talking about the mummy who chose to FF purely because she wanted to go out clubbing once a week. I don't think parents should have their lives revolve around their kids, but I know this particular mummy quite well and find it a bit judge-worthy that she spends her Saturday shopping for something to wear and getting ready to go out, her Saturday night out clubbing and her Sunday recovering from a cocaine/booze hangover. Having said that, it does make me much happier that she isn't BFing the baby after what she ingests of a weekend.

MrsTinks

peachyprice wrote: »

I hope they do listen to you if you decide to go for it again, natural childbirth, pah, overated

If they don't we'll be going private if we can afford it I don't like the thought of having a full emergency team in again havign been summoned with words along the lines of "Can we have some assistance in here" - "is it urgent" - "YES - RIGHT NOW!"...
How NOT to calm a mum! Don't get me wrong - they were right and the MWs couldn't leave me but it's not something I want to risk again! DD was slightly rotated (hence the pain - try squeezing an oblong shape through an oblong hole, but first rotate it 45 degrees... FUN!

I would have loved a natural birth - I was all set going into the brithing pool etc when the MW wanted to send me back home! :eek: I told them there was no way in heck I was going back home! ended up on a ward asking for painkillers, none worked. Asked for G&A - waited patiently about 90 minutes for it - in the end I gave up on gas and air... dinged my little button till someone came and DEMANDED an epidural or else! Amazed faces... "oh - is it that painful? You're only about 1-2 cm dialated..." - "YES it's that painful - that's why I'm shaking with pain with every contraction missy!" - "oh... " *trots of rather quickly to get things moving*. The doctor that delivered DD told me it was no wonder it was so painful as she was rotated and if she'd been turned right I'd probably have dialated a lot quicker... at least I felt less of a wuss afterwards :rotfl:

3onitsway

peachyprice wrote: »

At the end of the day there is no evidence that says all breastfed babies will grow up to be healthy, correct weight, well behaved, honest, well balanced individuals while all forumal fed babies will grow up to be unhealthy, overweight, badly behaved, dishonest, unhinged individuals, so in the grand scale of things, WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

Totally agree. :T I b/f my first with no problems, was unable to b/f my second, and b/f my third with no problems.
Looking at them now, you can't tell which one was f/fed. Honest.
(I'm wondering now if I should book DD1 in for some counselling because I failed her. )

Also, in my experience, just because you fed one child easily, it doesn't mean subsequent children will be the same. How would the militant b/feeders feel if they are unable to feed the next one?



I just do not understand why militant BF'ers get so upset by mothers who choose to FF, it isn't harming them or their babies and is frankly none of their business.

:T:T Well said. :T:T

MrsTine wrote: »

Seriously? wow... I waited till DD was 10 weeks - I mean sheeeeesh! (I'm kidding I'm kidding! she's not even had so much as a chocolate button yet! I promise! and only organic diluted applejuice!)

I should join. My DD has tried chocolate buttons, wotsits and really loves chicken tikka masala with a keema nan.
She's also allowed to [STRIKE]lick[/STRIKE] kiss the dog.
(Quick, someone call social services .)

Btw, she was one yesterday, so is on cows milk now. (Unless I beleive the C&G advert that suggests she'll need to drink my body weight in cows milk to get everything she needs).

bylromarha

I never had to use formula, but looked into the costs when I was pregnant - I remember being really annoyed about the fact that, not only was it quite pricy, you didn't get any Clubcard or advantage card points on it as it was seen as promotion :mad:

And this old feeding chestnut...

I remember a few years ago on MSE someone stating that their child was bright chirpy and very very clever. Their friends baby was slow, sluggish and didn't really pick things up too quick.

She then went on to say how she suspected it was due to the fact she BF and her friend FF. :eek:

As I'd already said on that thread that I used to teach Reception, she then asked me if I could tell the difference between which babies had been BF and FF. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: Not sure of the reply I left, but I remember struggling to keep it polite.

Why, why , why do BF mums keep on and on and on? Medical professionals I can understand, but ladies, help out your fellow females here! Encourage, don't condemn.

MrsTinks

JBD wrote: »

Why is a Mum uncaring because she wants to go out clubbing? As long as the baby is left with a suitable and safe babysitter [or possibly the other parent] then why does it matter? Life does not have to completely revolve around feeding a baby. A nd why do you struggle to understand why a woman would choose to bottlefeed?. If formula feed is adequate for one baby it is adequate for the next one. Why it is being fed in this way doesn't really make any difference. If a woman hates the thoughts of breastfeeding then she probably isn't going to succeed even if she does try it because she isn't going to have any real motivation.

Every weekend? Choosing not to BF purely to accomodate her social life? Not because she can't... but because she thinks it's more important to go out and dance all night and get drunk? I have nothing against mums going out - but there is a difference between going out once in a while and treating a baby like a puppy that you can leave with friends and making decisions based on that for it's wellbeing.
Yes the baby will be fed and probably healthy - but mentally healthy as it grows up? If that is the mums attitude then I doubt it.
I've left DD several times to go out - usually with hubby whilst I go to committee meetings for a few hours, a couple of times so that hubby and I can go out for dinner together but I certainly didn't give up BFing because it didn't fit my social calendar. Yes formula is adequate for any baby - but if you choose not to BF because you find it icky then boy are you gonna be in for a fun ride with the poos wees and puke...

emlou2009

Please re-read this in a caring tone, rather than a attacking one. When I wrote it, I didnt write it to be read in an attacking tone at all, which is clearly what it was taken in.

emlou2009 wrote: »

We have had this conversation recently on the parent thread. You believe that it was best to torture yourself through the months of expressing, and the people around you that constantly worried about what you were putting yourself through, this is what you told us so I dont see what is so bad about me writing it? *confused smilie* and have your friends and family genuinely worried for your state of mind while they watched you battle on. again, this is what you told us, and when I say your friends were worried about you, I mean us on the PT! On the parent thread, we all read your posts day in, day out, detailing how depressed you were, how much of a toll the expressing was taking on you, you debating giving up. this is what you told us!

When other people (like myself) say "breastfeeding didnt work for us so we switched to formula. I wish I could have breastfed but it wasnt to be", I wish you could accept that this is genuinely what they mean! We dont sit up all night every night wishing that it had worked, we simply get on with it and move on with our lives. I would never have put myself and my family through what you did as I feel that it is far more detrimental to a baby to have a miserable mother, attached to a pump all day every day, working spreadsheets on milk consumption, researching ways to up milk supply, not sleeping due to pumping in the middle of the night, than it is to simply relax and give them a bit of formula! I havent said here that I think you're a bad mother and that it was detrimental to Toby, I've simply said I couldnt do what you did, and wouldnt have wanted to. From my own personal experiences, when I was breastfeeding and miserable about it, so was Seth, and he was a much nicer baby for me relaxing and switching to formula, because babies go off our vibes, and if we are relaxed, so are they.
When I look back at the first three weeks of my sons life, which is how long I breastfed him for, I look back and shudder, because I remember the agony, how upset he got when he wouldnt latch on, my OH worrying that I wasnt going to cope properly and was spiralling into depression because I was hating every second of it. Wanting any visitors to go away in case he needed to feed, cos I didnt want them to have to watch him crying so hard at me as soon as I tried to get him to latch on.
I honestly wish I could look back and remember cuddling my baby boy and giving him a bottle instead. So, while I say I wish I could have breastfed but never mind, I do actually mean it, I didnt need or want any "help", and I know for a fact I'm not the only one.

And now, the main point in the post: Dont get me wrong, I applaud you and Toby for actually getting it to work, and I see why you feel it was such an achievement for you. But please remember that just because you managed to come through to the end and be breastfeeding at the end of it, the battle just isnt worth it for most of us. We would rather just enjoy our babies than stress out over it all! But this doesnt mean we should have to pay £8-£9 a week or more just to nourish them, when we could be paying half the price and have the formula companies still making a profit off us from that!

I just want to say that if you (you meaning everybody and nobody in particular!) choose to read my post in a caring and reasoning tone of voice rather than a attacking finger in the face kind of voice, you will see how it was written. I wont apologise for what I wrote because its what I believe in and no malice was intended at all, along with the 19 people that thanked it obviously, but what I will apologise for is that it upset someone.

But for what its worth, I do feel that if there is a problem with something I've said, its much more mature and adult to raise the problem calmly than to rant about it all over facebook, involve people that dont understand what the main issue is because they arent involved and delete me off there before I can either stick up for myself and what I believe in or explain properly what I meant.

pelirocco

happyfili wrote: »

Absolutely:

1. Peace of mind for mother....... In what way?

2 Guaranteed and safe amount of nutrients : What do you think breast milk is?

3 Help from the extended family and friends to feed baby and lessen the pressure on mam

.......The great thing about breast feeding is the mother can sit down and relax while feeding , if someone else is feeding she would probably be rushing around doing something else



For me breast feeding was easy ( after the first few weeks ..) no bottles to sterilise and worrying if i had counted out the right amount of formulae However I do respect everyones right to feed as they wish . A lot of people complain about the breast feeding police , but from what i see the bottle feeding police are just as bad lol .

And no I dont believe baby milk should be subsidised , children cost and thats a fact of life .

Oh and by the way , some of you need to harden up , if you get upset because you feel you are being judged badly because you bottle feed ?....................you wait and see what the next 20 odd years bring you;):rotfl:

xmaslolly76

OMG Mrs Tine never realised you had such an awfull time no wonder you want an elective.

That seems to be something else women get judge on with the too posh to push comments. Personally if i had had an experience like yours i wouldnt want to risk natural child birth either :-)

pelirocco

JBD wrote: »

Why is a Mum uncaring because she wants to go out clubbing? As long as the baby is left with a suitable and safe babysitter [or possibly the other parent] then why does it matter? Life does not have to completely revolve around feeding a baby. A nd why do you struggle to understand why a woman would choose to bottlefeed?. If formula feed is adequate for one baby it is adequate for the next one. Why it is being fed in this way doesn't really make any difference. If a woman hates the thoughts of breastfeeding then she probably isn't going to succeed even if she does try it because she isn't going to have any real motivation.

I know i have ''edited'' what you have said , but in fact life does revolve round babies / children ........I am not saying never go out , but I know so many young parents who dump their babies /children with grandparents and carry on living the life they had before children .........Our children have grown up and we are making up for lost time , but I have never regretted put my life of the back burner while they were growing up

MrsTinks

pelirocco wrote: »

.......The great thing about breast feeding is the mother can sit down and relax while feeding , if someone else is feeding she would probably be rushing around doing something else



For me breast feeding was easy ( after the first few weeks ..) no bottles to sterilise and worrying if i had counted out the right amount of formulae However I do respect everyones right to feed as they wish . A lot of people complain about the breast feeding police , but from what i see the bottle feeding police are just as bad lol .

But it's NOT relaxing if you're struggling. I had HVs helping me on numerous occassions, trying to express or BF when you have blocked ducts or thrush is NOT relaxing and when your baby is trying to remove your nipple from your breast then no it's not a tranquil calm moment either
You have NO idea how much I would have LOVED to have had a peaceful moment feeding DD... guess when that happened? when I switched to formula...
The "formula police" don't judge those who are BFing, (at least I haven't seen it) - we're merely asking the same curtesy back...