TAX Disk didnt arrive, Fixed Penalty Notice!

Chippy_Minton_2

goldspanners wrote: »

i'll pay online and leave the post office que for the undesirables taking the tax back out of the system.

I can tell you've been doing it online for sometime then. The sit on their !!!!!! and have it paid direct into the bank now no need to queue.

goldspanners

Chippy_Minton wrote: »

I can tell you've been doing it online for sometime then. The sit on their !!!!!! and have it paid direct into the bank now no need to queue.

thats good to know its been made even easier for them, wouldnt want to waste valuable drinking on park bench time now would we.

Pyrobod

hollie.weimeraner wrote: »

Failing to display a vehicle excise licence ceased being an offence dealt with by Police years ago so I am at a loss to understand why you received a FPT (unless perhaps you live in Scotland which has a different legal system). I am currently sat reading my Aide memoire for issuing FPT's and it clearly states "when an excise licence is expired or not present proceed by CLe/2". (CLE/2 is a form to forward to DVLA who have responsibility for issuing fines now).

I suggest you contact the ticket office for your local police force and enquire re the legality of the ticket.

Hollie,

I'm not sure where you got your Aide Memoir from but I'm afraid it is incorrect, unless it is down to Force Policy.

I can (and do) issue Fixed Penalty Notices for Failing to Display and have devolved powers from DVLA to seize untaxed vehicles in some circumstances.

Robin
(A Traffic PC).

Wig

EssexHebridean wrote: »

Not so sure on that bit.....it is illegal to have an uninsured car on the highway isn't it?

Yes, but that alone doesn't give the right to seize the vehicle. Just like with loads of other offences it is illegal to have the vehicle on the road with or without, it doesn't automatically give them a right to seize the vehicle.

The only exception is if the parked vehicle has "failed to stop" in the previous 24 hours.

lawrie28

Wig wrote: »

No, the whole idea of 'tax discs' whether displayed or not is what is absurd, there's no reason to have them, they are a useless relic of a bygone age.

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No it is not. SOmeone nicks you number plates, sticks them on an identical car, which is then driven by someone else. Police reg plate checks confirm it is taxed and insured, which it isn;t. If they have to have a disk in the window, it is one extra deterrent. And I am not saying it is a big job to scan a disc, change the reg etc. and display a forgery, but it is an extra deterrent. It is also something the criminals then need to update etc, which they may forget to do, so display an out of date one.

Exemplar

Great post Robin, good to hear from a PC.

I appreciate that the OP paid for the tax disc in good faith and therefore if all is above board the car technically is taxed therefore legal.

I also think that if it were me I would have parked it 'off road'.

I suppose my question to Robin is this, you can issue a ticket for non display of said disc, but do you check the database to see if the car actually is taxed? And with your powers of discretion would you therefore, understandably, issue a fixed penalty for non display or would you actually go the full distance and seize the vehicle?

I'm not after an argument here! just a greater understanding!!

But as posted above I still would have parked it somewhere off road!

Also apologies for any poor spelling etc and grammar mistakes. I have a full on cold and am playing with a new Mac air book!

Wig

lawrie28 wrote: »

No it is not. SOmeone nicks you number plates, sticks them on an identical car, which is then driven by someone else. Police reg plate checks confirm it is taxed and insured, which it isn;t. If they have to have a disk in the window, it is one extra deterrent. And I am not saying it is a big job to scan a disc, change the reg etc. and display a forgery, but it is an extra deterrent. It is also something the criminals then need to update etc, which they may forget to do, so display an out of date one.

Your problem -if it is one, and I don't agree it is- is easily solved by legislation to have a dash mounted VIN plate front nearside. Like some vehicles already have.
Or to have a windscreen mounted MOT badge & insurance badge as they do in lots of countries. Tax discs are a waste of money and legislation.

mandym

Pyrobod wrote: »

Hollie,

I'm not sure where you got your Aide Memoir from but I'm afraid it is incorrect, unless it is down to Force Policy.

I can (and do) issue Fixed Penalty Notices for Failing to Display and have devolved powers from DVLA to seize untaxed vehicles in some circumstances.

Robin
(A Traffic PC).

I agree with this, I see plenty of FPNs given for Failing to Display when working with the Police on joint operations.

The CLE2/6 previously mentioned is an Excise Offence Report (untaxed vehicle) which the DVLA deal with. This is a totally separate offence to Failing to Display which is dealt with by the Police.

gsmmad

richg101 wrote: »

my point is that i can prove i was awaiting my tax disk in the post. and can prove it never arrived, and prove i had a confirmation of payment on view in the car.

it troubles me how you can have so much time on your hands to spend getting in the way of my query.

please can someone tell me if its worth going to court or not?

take it to court mate, you should win. As long as you can prove that you had not received it. Which you can prove as you have called DVLA regarding this. However if you have called DVLA after getting the ticket then just pay the £60.

Its all about timing. You did not display it however you did have one but it got lost in the post, you waited the time period you thought was right and contacted them. Doesn't sound like your guilty to me.

Wig

gsmmad wrote: »

take it to court mate, you should win. As long as you can prove that you had not received it. Which you can prove as you have called DVLA regarding this. However if you have called DVLA after getting the ticket then just pay the £60.

Its all about timing. You did not display it however you did have one but it got lost in the post, you waited the time period you thought was right and contacted them. Doesn't sound like your guilty to me.

He's guilty of failing to display, there's only 5 working days grace - not 4 weeks, should pay the fine...... end of.