Opinions on a Honda Jazz problem.

Inactive

L.S.D. wrote: »

Stop making stupid excuses, stop being silly. The gearbox has done LESS THAN 27000 miles . No one in there right mind would say that is right & everyone would expect the manufacturer to do something about it. The gearbox should be replaced or repaired by Honda for free.

Your car is 6 years old, twice the age of the warranty period, I think that there is only one person on this thread that is being " silly " and it ain't rallydriver.:rolleyes:

Apart you now boring people to death, you are quite simply wasting your time and effort.

Honda are not going to replace your 6 year old gearbox for free...get over it.

L.S.D.

Inactive wrote: »

Your car is 6 years old, twice the age of the warranty period, I think that there is only one person on this thread that is being " silly " and it ain't rallydriver.:rolleyes:

Apart you now boring people to death, you are quite simply wasting your time and effort.

Honda are not going to replace your 6 year old gearbox for free...get over it.

Do you work for Honda????

I can never be seen as

boring people to death, you are quite simply wasting your time and effort.

it can only be seen as Honda not being as reliable as they clame, THAT IS BLATENTLY OBVIOUS, & if you want to foot the bill I'll say no more. Stop trying to make out Honda are reliable, if they were, their gearboxes would last more than 27000 miles, even on a 6 year old car, regularaly serviced at extra cost by Honda.

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L.S.D. wrote: »

Do you work for Honda????

Nope, nor do I have anything to do with Honda, apart from driving my ultra reliable Honda Car and using my " starts first time, every time " ultra reliable Honda Lawn Mower.;)

L.S.D.

Inactive wrote: »

Nope, nor do I have anything to do with Honda, apart from driving my ultra reliable Honda Car and using my " starts first time, every time " ultra reliable Honda Lawn Mower.;)

I hope the gearbox is not made by Honda.

As for "ultra reliable"& "starts first time", I've had 3 New Citroen cars & at least 2 low milage secondhand. All have started first time, all have been ultra reliable, (by that I also include the gearbox not needing major repair at less than 27000 miles) none have ever let ne down & none had the gearbox go at before 27000 miles. Go figure which is most reliable. The same can also be said of the Renault, Vauxhall, Ford, Peugeot, Fiat, Nissan, Mazda, & a few others.

HONDA. Had One Never Dare Again.

Rallydriver

Thanks Inactive.

I'm giving up on this one now. Theres no point repeating the same things again to a closed mind who thinks that their experience is the only experience anyone can ever have.

:wave:

wisbech_lad

I'm not a car gearbox expert, but did study engineering, and know fair bit about aircraft & aircraft engine maintenance.

Failures are probabilities. One engine will last for 5 years before failing, another will fail in 6 months. So, engineers tend to use terms like "MTBF" (mean time between failures) and weibull statistics to give an idea of what to expect (i.e. a 25% chance of failing in first two years, 60% after four years)

When you then go to the next level, and look at failures by part, their are three separate drivers for failure, that sometimes, but not always, interact:

- Cycles, i.e. number of trips
- Hours/ distance i.e. length of time operated
- Time. How old the part is, regardless of whether it was used or not...

Some parts are cycle limited, some are hours limited, some are time limited. By limited, I mean that experience & evidence shows that part A should be changed every 1,500 starts, Part B after 60,000 miles, and Part C after 3 years, because they are cycle/hours/time limited respectively

Why are some parts time limited? Well, corrosion and in built stress are the usual culprits. Even if the car/ aircraft sits around doing no trips, and gets regularly serviced, the part gets weaker over time. Cracks form, and/or corrosion starts

So, it is probable that you could have done 127,000 miles in your Honda, and still had the same failure after 6 years. Or you could have done 200,000 miles, and have something else fail first, and think the gearbox was amazingly well built...!

I am sure this won't change your mind, but might be interesting for others

For what its worth, that is why manufacturers (of aircraft engines, and cars) give guarantees that state "xx,000 miles OR x years" (well, for aircraft, they also add cycles, as it is much easier to count landing/ takeoffs in an aircraft than stop/ starts for a car)

So, yeah, I would be annoyed by a gearbox failure after 6 years/ 27,000 miles. But as it is way, way out of guarantee, I wouldn't expect any cash from the manufacturer.

garydeb

It doesn't need an expensive bill from Honda to sort this out. Yes there are some issues with the gearboxes, but it only needs some bearings replaced.

Take it to a gearbox specialist who'll do the job quickly and for a lot less than honda are talking about. While the mileage might be low, the car is still 6 years old. If thats the only major fault you've had in 6 years i wouldn't be complaining.

Try buying something French and see how 6 years of ownership compares

hewhoisnotintheknow

garydeb wrote: »

Try buying something French and see how 6 years of ownership compares

Read his earlier posts

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hewhoisnotintheknow wrote: »

Read his earlier posts

Do we really have to?:D

Actually I was talking to a friend last night, he works at my local Honda Dealers, he said that Honda do in fact carry out some guarantee work FOC on cars up to 5 years old, so they cannot be as bad as the OP is attempting to portray them.

hewhoisnotintheknow

Inactive wrote: »

Do we really have to?:D

Actually I was talking to a friend last night, he works at my local Honda Dealers, he said that Honda do in fact carry out some guarantee work FOC on cars up to 5 years old, so they cannot be as bad as the OP is attempting to portray them.

can you pm where he works, my dad 4 ear old jazz has a problem with severe juddering and they are not at all interested