MSE Parents Club Part 5

elle_gee

Sami_Bee wrote: »

I remembered, Elle what if you weren't a match? (not trying to scare you there)
My friend was conceived earlier than her parents originally planned because they were told if they wanted more children to get a move on due to her sister being ill in case the children that followed were matches...

Then we'd have as many of the family tested as willing/possible/necessary then go from there. Have always frowned upon the "farmed" route (which I guess still comes with no guarantees and enough problems of it's own) but we'll take all the advice we can get and then see - I'd do it, of course I would, but I'd like to know the odds first. Although no certain indication of the future, I did get pregnant very quickly the first two times. In the meantime, we'd just hope for a donor (as morbid as that unfortunately is).

Triggles

Tine you're not the only one to argue with Jehovahs FIL has a good old heated debate with them (considering he's the Methodist equivilent of a minister) they don't like loosing tho they don't like being called murderers either :whistle: they're is no way on this earth I would deny my child a blood transfussion and let them die :eek:

I've always felt that they should be FORCED to provide appropriate medical treatment for children, and they can then allow the children to make their own choice once they are of age. But that until they reach 18, they should be required, as otherwise they are making this choice for their children, who simply don't have a voice in that instance. I just don't think it's right that the adult can choose to disregard what is medically in the child's best interest, religion or not.

Elle - as far as kidney donation is concerned, can't they test for compatibility now just in case? Then at least you'd know.

As far as kitchen drawers are concerned, we just went with the overall fix and put a gate on the kitchen door. DS can't get into the kitchen at all unless I am with him.

searching_me

Sami_Bee wrote: »

£1.2k !!:eek: debt scares me, are you gonna be ok?

sami my main account has a £1.3k and most the time im hitting the end of it

Sami_Bee wrote: »

ooh I find it hard enough to manage the 3 accounts I have! LOL

i have 4 accounts to manage one each for the kids my main account and my savings

Jvic28 wrote: »

Congratulations on the weight loss!! Don't feel bad, you're doing really well. Be proud!

thank you


i had quote a couple from elle but for some reason not showing but yer elle i get mine weekly but i think that because i started getting credits when i was on benefits ...

well im shattered and have no enegry what so ever and i need to tidy i went to bed last night but didnt fall asleep til nearly 2am just couldnt go sleep .... jayden was a greedy pig last night he had 3 5fl oz bottles within the space of less then 6 hours and he finished all of them :eek: growth spurt me thinks :rolleyes: ......

so im going to sit and finish my cuppa and see how i feel x

Jvic28

Glamazon wrote: »

anyway, MW came today and said massive difference in Jack's colour since yesterday and that I was looking fab and you wouldn't believe it was only 4 days Oh, and that she couldn't believe how quickly my uterus had contracted back!!! :jMust have been the RLT!!!

Shows how behind I am with things. I didn't realise your LO arrived. Congratulations!! xx

MrsTinks

elle_gee wrote: »

I think that's hugely disrespectful, myself..

Why? They choose to enter MY property uninvited and inform me about their religion? They are free to leave MY property at any time - so long as they choose to remain on my land uninvited to try and force their religion on me they will have to accept that I will argue about the large contradictions and floors in their religion. If they dislike that they can a) stay off my private property where I have not EVER invited them onto b) argue back - usually most of them prefer option b until they realise that I know more than the average joe about both their religion and most branches of paganism...
I wouldn't dream of going into ANY place of worship, or another persons personal space for what it's worth, and doing it - but they made the conscious choice to enter my personal space and private property... They should be glad it's be answering the door and not my dad - let's just say that the divorce was not on friendly terms and dad would find a reason to get his gun out if they ever knocked on his door... I think a healthy theological argument is healthy... if you are firm in your belief then nothing I say will stop that, if there is serious floors then maybe it's a bigger issue than me pointing them out?

SusanC_2

Jvic28 wrote: »

My experience has resulted in me not wanting to go through this again but if an accident were to happen I would probably want a home birth even with the problems I had last time. There's no reason that the next one shouldn't be straight forward. I've been told this wouldn't be possible but I can't understand how they can force me to have my baby at a hospital I don't want to be at.

They can't actually. If you refuse to go to hospital they are legally obliged to send a midwife to attend you. (Although obviously if this happened I imagine they would be trying to persuade you to go in so not conducive to a good labour.) I did read about a couple where the father delivered the baby because the NHS care with their first had been so appalling. This is actually against the law as only a qualified person is legally allowed to do it (unless it is unplanned e.g. midwife doesn't arrive in time or you don't get to hospital soon enough). They were fined (around £1000 I think) but a random doctor who disagreed with the law paid it for them.

In the US courts can order women to go to hospital and to have caeserian sections. Women in labour have even been handcuffed and had their legs tied together in order to prevent the baby being born before a court ordered CS can be done. Here I think one lady was forced to have a CS but she then fought in the courts afterwards establishing the legal principle that a woman is entitled to refuse one and cannot be forced to have one.

Obviously I am not recommending anyone refuse to go to hospital or refuse a CS against medical advice but just pointing out that legally you have the choice.

I also want to mention that if you are planning a homebirth you would still have the same antenatal care that you would if you were having a hospital birth so if you had VP you would be just as likely to be diagnosed either way (prenatal diagnosis is they key factor for survival) and obviously if it was diagnosed then you would not go ahead with the homebirth you had planned. You don't just decide on homebirth and stick to it no matter what or have no prenatal screening. (Well some people probably do but it's not a good idea and is the kind of thing which gives homebirth a bad name.)

elle_gee

Triggles wrote: »

.. Elle - as far as kidney donation is concerned, can't they test for compatibility now just in case? Then at least you'd know.

OH asked at Nottingham the first time we went and they said "only if it comes up".. an NHS funding issue, I would imagine :cool:

Triggles

Elle - that's a shame. Any idea what the cost would be going private for that? It might be something that is worth the money, for peace of mind.

feelinggood_2

3onitsway wrote: »

Feelie - Well done on your huge post earlier! How amazing are you and your memory! And thanks for missing me!

feelinggood wrote: »

Hugs and hellos to everyone else who is being quiet, hope all is well. MDW, Savvy, MDW, AM, Rmac, Triggles, Beenie, MilliesMum, SusanC, Emlou, Mooki, 3, Jvic, Jillie, Tara, SB (I miss you!), Chopsticks, Fritha, NMS, pinkpig, Carla, wi3adora, skinty (I know you are reading), bailey (everything okay?), keeley, jakesmummy, angela, Sparkle, Mrs Moc (no working too hard!), Lu T (where you gone?), Claire Jones, Ticklepenny, fairydawn (hugs) and all the other ladies, andprobably some lurking pregnant ladies.

Sorry to butt in, I'm catching up and just wanted to say 3onitsway, I didn't miss you out, you are the very 3 I mentioned at the end Of course I'd remember you!!

MrsTinks

Maybe the whole home birth view for me would be different if mine had been stressful? by that i mean the care hadn't been good and up to scratch... but I can't fault them much to be honest - yes I would have liked my epidural a lot earlier - like when I was laid in a bed on a ward shaking with pain with every contraction... they were extreemly busy that day and eventually had to assign me a MW from another ward leaving THEM short... Not their fault there were a very high proportion of complex deliveries ending CSs or assisted deliveries... I'm just impressed that despite that they managed to look after me as well as they did
I suppose if they hadn't then I might be feeling stronger about not having another child there - but I'd still want it in a hospital or MW led unit... being at home to deliver to me (and I appreciate this is my personal view here!) is unhygenic, dangerous and unnecessary... We have all these highly trained medical people - why would you NOT want to be where they are in case anything went wrong???