MSE Parents Club Part 3

MrsTinks

second what mm has said - this is what a coleague I used to work with did too with his daughter. Hers was so bad that at I think 2 or 3 she ended up having to have operations etc - but hers was very extreem (we're talking no food staying down even at 2 years old ) but to help control it her bed was lifted at the head end. If she did lie down then putting her on her side instead of her back made a difference.
Is the reflux so bad he's getting acid burns in his mouth and throat?

BrunoM

Infant Gaviscon is the easily-available over the counter stuff for infant reflux; Elijah was variously prescribed gaviscon, omeprazole, domperidone, and maxolon paediatric (which we ran away from after googling history and side-effects). Otherwise, as MM says, things like keeping LO at an angle helps too.

Our doctor didn't exactly fob us off but didn't really have much of a clue, but once we bullied him into a referral to the hospital they were very helpful - hope Abi gets good assistance there.

searching_me

ive been popping in and out all day went to go get depo injection was told not for another 2 weeks (Jaydens 4 weeks today) my friend popped up with her son and hes hit the terrible 2's early and tried destroying my house of course Jayden slept through it :rolleyes: did dinner and now i can sit down ... phew! ... gonna do the rest of my xmas list so i know where to buy things when i get paid :rolleyes: oh well ..
hope your nephews ok caz x

r.mac_2

MFD - you always say the right thing

elle - great news about Rhys. What a superstar wee boy he is

MM - nice to hear you are so happy with your little brood around you.

I really need to get this sleeping thing working - I see it as my job to help her learn to go to sleep, but I'm a bit stumped on how to get there. So can I have some ideas please? What's your bedtime routine and how did you get LO to go to sleep themselves?

we have playtime with daddy when he comes home from work (about 6.30pm), a bit of kicking without nappy on while bath and clothes etc being sorted out, then daddy baths and then we get dried, creamed, nappied and dressed and into sleeping bag, then cuddles, bottle and bed (7.30pmish). However bottle takes place on my lap and it either conks her out or I have to nurse her to sleep after her bottle. Then we transfer her to her cot. I think it's the last bit we have to change, but to what I don't know.

CC isn't for us - we've tried it and it's not a way forward for us.

She's never taken a dummy and TBH at 21wks I don't want to try and introduce one now.

During the night she wakes 2-3 times depending on how she feels - but can and sometimes does go from 9-5/6am, just not very often.

weaning her hasn't impacted on her sleep at all. I've upped her milk intake during the day to see if it's hunger - but this has had little effect and some days she's hungrier than others. For example she ate and ate and ate yesterday, but isn't interested at all today?!

Also daytime naps are becoming more and more of an issue - not so much while out and about during the day as she'll sleep or play in her pram and sleeps if we are in the car. At home is a nightmare - it's back to nursing her after 2hrs of being awake and sometimes even that doesn't help and we just have screaming (like this morning), which makes me feel so bad - for her and me. It's like she hates me and is letting me know what she thinks of my parenting abilities!!!! Oh and during the day she will only sleep 30m - 45m at a time.

I want to try and get a bit more of a defined time line into our day - I'm happy to beb flexible, but I think it would really help us. Can I ask what kind of routine everyone else follows i.e. breakfast time, nap times.

sorry for the essay - just trying to sort ourselves out a bit. Spoke to my friend who is going to the 'sleep lady', and her comment was that the lady wanted you to have a routine in place before starting on her techniques (whatever they are!) as apparently this can help solve some sleep problems immediately. I'll try anything!

money_maker_3

Wish I could help r.mac, but at nearly 7, Jasmine still doesnt like going to sleep !!!

r.mac_2

money_maker wrote: »

Wish I could help r.mac, but at nearly 7, Jasmine still doesnt like going to sleep !!!

Oh no!!!!! *runs away to try and list her cute, but sleep fighting daughter on ebay, thinking it could be an mse way to 'solve' the problem*;)

cazscoob

domperidone - Thanks bruno thats the one i was looking for couldnt remember the name! abi is over the reflux now she is 3 but the first year was a nightmare!

he has had his cot/pram lifted he doesnt sleep as he is always hungry but as soon as he is fed be it 1oz or a full feed he is sick continually until his stomach is empty and the whole cycle starts again? there is only 4 weeks between him and erin but there is nothing of him compared to her and she is BF! hopefully she will get something to help him on friday!

oh i gave erin some baby rice and she loved it! she has sat grinning for the past ten mins and quickly learnt to open her mouth when the spoon came near! she will be 20 weeks on wed but am planning on taking it slowly!
HV again has not turned up this is the 3rd time i have made an appointment and she hasnt arrived??

Sami_Bee

R.mac it sounds like you have a pretty good routine at night already! Does she wake when you transfer to cot? Is that the problem? (sorry but to laid back me it all sounds fine )
I used to do as you for chris - let him fall asleep on my lap/shoulder and pop in crib.
It might help if you look at gina ford's book as I know she has a set routine for different ages - if maybe someone has it and could type up the one for your stage or have a peek in the library Hth

Fritha_2

r.mac wrote: »

this sleeping thing is getting me down.

Do you want my honest opinion r mac? And feel free to ignore it, I don't for a moment claim to be right! Stop fighting it, she will go to sleep if you nurse her so nurse her to sleep. Then take it from there. The softly softly approach has worked well for us and repeat repeat repeat. She has a bath/story at 6.45 (usually) into a sleepsuit and we sing at song at 7.15ish then she nurses to sleep. We pop her in bed (she usually stirs a little so she knows she being moved) and if she wakes up she comes back for some more milk and we repeat that until she stays where she is. She's an appalling sleeper but it got so much easier to deal with once I accepted that I need to wait until she can do this stuff by herself. Dr Sears says that learning to fall asleep by themselves is a developmental milestone but having said all of that Elizabeth Pantley has very good advice. We use some of her techniques. One of my friends gave me the best advice I've ever been given: "If it's not a problem for you it's not a problem"

Have a dodgy hug btw, sleep deprivation is quite literally torture (I think some nights I'd confess to anything for just a bit more sleep!) :grouphug:

weezl74 wrote: »

quite right r.mac! can't fit nappies, wipes, sudocrem, and a manky rice cake in an eiffel tower now can you? xxx

My rice cakes don't get chance to go manky now! I've got the organix apple ones and I eat them faster than she does they're gorgeous!

BrunoM

R.mac - your situation sounds quite similar to ours, and I can only urge you, from a position 6 months ahead of yours, to try to get it sorted now

We didn't (largely because of the reflux issue, we felt we should keep feeding him on-demand to help with his weight, and we worried that he was waking up in real reflux pain...) and it is a real millstone by now at 11 months I am truly terrified of it continuing til he's 18 months/3 years/7 years etc.

It's not THAT awful, not so bad that it sounds really extreme to other people, but I think we just had an expectation that by now he'd be working things out better somehow, instead of still waking very upset twice a night, needing lengthy rocking and soothing or a breastfeed before settling, and having no really effective daytime nap routine and never, ever, sleeping without booby involved.

It's come close to spoiling our 3 week California holiday we're finishing tomorrow, especially as he has entered a 'control' phase or something while we've been here, where his previous very successful bedtime routine now makes him very angry and scream for 10 minutes before sleep. I'm pretty committed to trying baby whisperer pick-up-put-down stuff from when we get back (after giving him a day or three to adjust time zones maybe).
A few months ago I read a load of sleep training books and articles, and I can't handle CC (which is unfortunate as it's basically what OH wants) - pickup put down was the one that stood out for me as a maybe.

Good luck with whatever method you go for!

Edit: Fritha sounds very sensible in her post! It's just that for us, not doing anything didn't work out