Car Scrappage Scheme

hethmar

Just been to the government site and they have indeed added this bit about the tax:

• have a UK address on the registration certificate (V5C)
• have a current MOT test certificate before date of order for the new vehicle
• have a current tax disc when the order for the new vehicle is placed

flea72

it is illegal to drive on the road without road tax, it is not illegal to drive a car without MOT (as long as you are travelling to a prebooked MOT, and i assume scrappage scheme is covered under this)

Thats why you only need an MOT at point of order, ie to prove that a roadworthy car is being scrapped. You need the tax on the car at the time of collection, to be able to get it to the dealer (unless you want to pay for a transporter, which would cost more than the RFL refund)

The tax is yours to take away and get a refund. Dealerships dont need the car to have tax on for disposal, as all traders/scrappies, will either have trade plates or use a transporter

Flea

buglawton

bhavinshah wrote: »

Whilst it's true that the money could have been used elsewhere instead of restricting to the car industry....Wouldn't mind reading about the German scheme a little more if you have a link?...

German Unemployment Rose Less Than Expected....Subsidies Keeping Workers Officially Employed Having Major Impact
you have to scroll down a bit in the story

Now, the UK budget set for the scrappage is £300m (approx one 7th of the German budget for their car scheme which has a strong ecological bias). This is why Gordon said that he "Expects 300,000 people to take up the scrappage offer". Isn't he good at maths?

bhavinshah

buglawton wrote: »

German Unemployment Rose Less Than Expected....Subsidies Keeping Workers Officially Employed Having Major Impact
you have to scroll down a bit in the story

Now, the UK budget set for the scrappage is £300m (approx one 7th of the German budget for their car scheme which has a strong ecological bias). This is why Gordon said that he "Expects 300,000 people to take up the scrappage offer". Isn't he good at maths?

Heh yeah the other differences are:

1. Cars must be over 10 years old instead of Germany's 9 years old
2. The car bought must be brand new (vs. new or 1yr old in Germany)

But on number 2, I can see why Brown as done it from his perspective. Only new goods count towards GDP statistics...reselling anything doesn't (it's just a transfer of wealth). So if he wants to achieve those (optimistic) growth figures for the next few years, I guess this is his method lol

buglawton

I wonder why politicos in other countries do things for the people, as opposed to making up the numbers, then.

hethmar

But flea, the directive is to have disc "when order is placed" - it doesnt say when order is placed and when vehicle is taken for scrapping. Its ambiguous and I cant believe that the people setting these rules cant see it is.
If, as you say, the MOT is not necessary for the vehicle to be on the road - what if someones tax runs out say a week after an order is placed. Their MOT is already out of date, as it is allowed to be up to 14 days out of date at time of order. So that person would then have to MOT (and possibley insure) the vehicle again in order to tax it. Its just not sensible.

roddydogs

DealDrivers wrote: »

yes it can but dealers will be taking in huge no's of these scrappers that need to be scrapped quickly, hiring transporters to keep moving them won't be an option as the cost is enormous, so they need to have some tax on them to drive them where necessary and get them out of their compounds quickly. Imagine September with dealers getting hundreds of new Sep plate cars out and taking in similar no's of scrappers...they need to be able to move them around fast and if they can get them to a local approved scrapper quicklly they'll drive them. You're getting a great deal, why the issue about leaving it with a bit of tax on it?
The cars need to be roadworthy and legal all the way to the scrapyard.

Since when have car dealers been bothered about wether a car is taxed or not? look outside any dealer, there always parking cars on the road, or moving them about without tax.....if challenged they just say "Ive got trade plates"

hethmar

News today reports 35000 cars have been ordered under the scrappage scheme already.

buglawton

that's over 10% of the scheme used up then

hethmar

In one week But thats the initial surge isnt it. After the first month things will slow down and then theyll be another burst just a couple of months before the scheme is up.

Will be interesting to see.