Sleep to Live Beds

Tim_Deegan

danables wrote: »

Wow- having read this entire thread my brain is fried and I havnt a clue what to do!

I too find the sleep to live 900 the most comfortable and have tried every bed in both Bensons and furniture village. As a side note there was a sprung mattress I tried today (I assume it could be turned) for £6500!!! it was comfy and makes the sleep to live in Bensons seem like a bargain in comparison. I cant recall the make as soon as I heard the price I walked away but it seems they do make pricey sprung beds that are good quality. It wasnt more comfy then the sleep to live but I felt more confident with it as it seemed like realiable technology if that makes sence- sprung but heavily padded on top.

One thing to bear in mind is that some of the big bed manufacturers are very good at making poorly designed mattresses feel very comfortable when new. Although due to poor design some don't feel as comfortable a year to eighteen months down the line. Pillow top mattresses are a prime example of this.

At the other end of the scale, no mattress is worth £6500 unless it is sewn together with gold thread. The mattress may contain some very expensive fillings, but this doesn't mean that they make it more comfortable. So for comfort and reliability, you could probably find a equivalent for less than £1000.

danables wrote: »

I couldnt get on with the tempur ones which magazine recommended there was a time delay with the memory foam so when I turned it wouldnt spring up right away.

This is one of the main complaints that people have with Tempur mattresses (apart from the heat issue). They use a very high density memory foam, which although it will give excellent suppory, it has a very slow recovery rate as you say. So along with the fact that they use a layer that is too deep, this means that you end up stuck in a deep mould.

To avoid these problems with memory foam, try and stick to the optimum density of between 60 and 70kg per m3, and the optimum memory foam depth of 2".

Or if you can afford natural latex, then go for a full 2" deep layer.

danables

Edelman wrote: »

Thanks very much. I took a friend to show them the STL bed and she said "OH MY GOD" too, she said as it was so comfortable and very supportive. I agree, you do sink into it. Much more comfy than a memory foam mattress too.

I had a row with the store recently when asking them what the topping was, as neither the salesman nor the manager knew. And they got a bit "shirty" when I asked them. I eventually got an answer: memory foam, then a fabric layer, then a latex foam. This sort of makes sense when you feel it.

£900 for that bed is a much more reasonable price, in my view. And if my store had that price I would be very tempted. Though with their attitude in the store, I'd be tempted NOT to buy from that particular store.

I have since decided on a different brand of bed, having found one that felt the same, excellent quality, below £900, and a very well known brand in the UK. And having spoken with the sales people, have come to a mutual win-win price. Clearly a better store than those before.

Happy sleeping.

Thats funny I went in again today and they told me there was no memory foam at all just a thick layer of latex on top of coiled springs! Please please please share what bed you went with I so want one that feels the same and has much better reviews! (and price!)

danables

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

One thing to bear in mind is that some of the big bed manufacturers are very good at making poorly designed mattresses feel very comfortable when new. Although due to poor design some don't feel as comfortable a year to eighteen months down the line. Pillow top mattresses are a prime example of this.


At the other end of the scale, no mattress is worth £6500 unless it is sewn together with gold thread. The mattress may contain some very expensive fillings, but this doesn't mean that they make it more comfortable. So for comfort and reliability, you could probably find a equivalent for less than £1000.


To avoid these problems with memory foam, try and stick to the optimum density of between 60 and 70kg per m3, and the optimum memory foam depth of 2".

Or if you can afford natural latex, then go for a full 2" deep layer.

What is a pillow top mattress exactly?, or is this just a way to describe a very soft mattress?

I went to see a small local business today following your advice, Im glad I did as they do seem to know much more then Bensons. We like one called a salus 1500+ memory foam on top (but a much faster reacting one the the tempur ones we tried), again its not turnable but im willing to forgo that as the traditional turnable ones just arnt as comfortable for me. Do you know of this brand?/what are your thoughts on this mattress?.

I really liked the Ottoman base due to the amount of storage too.

Thankyou again for your continued advice it is very much appreciated.

Tim_Deegan

danables wrote: »

What is a pillow top mattress exactly?, or is this just a way to describe a very soft mattress?

I went to see a small local business today following your advice, Im glad I did as they do seem to know much more then Bensons. We like one called a salus 1500+ memory foam on top (but a much faster reacting one the the tempur ones we tried), again its not turnable but im willing to forgo that as the traditional turnable ones just arnt as comfortable for me. Do you know of this brand?/what are your thoughts on this mattress?.

I really liked the Ottoman base due to the amount of storage too.

Thankyou again for your continued advice it is very much appreciated.

A pillow top is like a sort of quilt sewn onto the top of the mattress. They usually contain loose fillings which in time tend to move about, which can leave you sleeping in a hollow.

Salus are the same company as breasley, who as far as I know only use the smaller and far less supportive reflex foam encapsulated pocket springs.

You can get two sided pocket sprung and memory foam mattresses.

You will get far better quality and value for money if you buy on line. Just check the sellers return policy.

danables

Thanks for the clarification, if salus use a smaller less supportive spring then ideally what type of spring should I be looking for?

That maby so on price but im not convinced the quality would be better just because I bought it online rather then a local small business. In any case Im not sure I would be comfortable buying a bed before testing it out first, regardless of the refund/exchange policy.

I have tested so many beds already, I just cannot imagine ordering and exchanging that many beds and then feeling I have to settle with one thats ok, but not perfect just because I cant be bothered to go through the rigmoral of exchanging one yet again, I'm a busy mum and would rather pay a little more and know what I'm getting.

It is a shame the beds you supply cant be tested in a shop near me somewhere, I am tempted by the double sided mattresses with layers of latex on both sides. I have managed to find a local business who has a couple of these just come in, I'v no idea of the brand, but I will try them at the weekend.

Out of interest, when buying online/from you who has to pay to pick up the beds for exchange/refund and how many exchanges are acceptable?

Tim_Deegan

danables wrote: »

Thanks for the clarification, if salus use a smaller less supportive spring then ideally what type of spring should I be looking for?

Full size steel springs that aren't surrounded by foam.

danables wrote: »

That maby so on price but im not convinced the quality would be better just because I bought it online rather then a local small business. In any case Im not sure I would be comfortable buying a bed before testing it out first, regardless of the refund/exchange policy.

It won't make a difference on quality where you buy it from, but it will make a difference which brand you choose. Although the price will obviously be cheaper on line. The smaller independent brands tend to be much cheaper than the big brands because you aren't paying for the name.

You can only get a very rough idea from trying a mattress out in a shop fully clothed for 10 minutes. And this will give you no idea what the mattress is like to sleep on. If you talk to an on line retailer who has a good returns policy, then it will be in their interest to make sure you get it right the first time, otherwise it will cost them money.

danables wrote: »

I have tested so many beds already, I just cannot imagine ordering and exchanging that many beds and then feeling I have to settle with one thats ok, but not perfect just because I cant be bothered to go through the rigmoral of exchanging one yet again, I'm a busy mum and would rather pay a little more and know what I'm getting.

You shouldn't need to, because if the seller wants you to make the right choice rather than pushing you towards the bed that earns them the most commission. So going by what you tell them, and the answers you give to questions they ask, then they should be able to find a bed that you really like.

danables wrote: »

It is a shame the beds you supply cant be tested in a shop near me somewhere, I am tempted by the double sided mattresses with layers of latex on both sides. I have managed to find a local business who has a couple of these just come in, I'v no idea of the brand, but I will try them at the weekend.

Out of interest, when buying online/from you who has to pay to pick up the beds for exchange/refund and how many exchanges are acceptable?

I'm afraid I can't discuss my company or it's policies on here, as it could be viewed as advertising.

danables

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Full size steel springs that aren't surrounded by foam.
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Is this the same as open coil or is that something else? and isnt a pocket sprung better for me if I want a bed that is soft/medium?

Tim_Deegan

danables wrote: »

Is this the same as open coil or is that something else? and isnt a pocket sprung better for me if I want a bed that is soft/medium?

No, they are full size steel pocket springs, not open coil, as shown in this picture: http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b448/!!!!!!beds/Mattress%20internals/pocketsprungdivancutaway.jpg

The springs that I'm advising against are much smaller and are surrounded by reflex foam as shown here: http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b448/!!!!!!beds/Mattress%20internals/encapsulatedpocketsprings.jpg

lpagross

Hi there, I went to Bensons yesterday and liked the Sealy International range, especially the Sydney. I can't find an online retailer for this range. Does anyone know what equivalent range Sealy make that's available from other retailers? I can't afford the +£1k that Bensons are charging for the mattress. Surely Sealy make the same type of mattress for general sale and I might be able to find a bargain online? Thanks for any help or suggestions.
G

Tim_Deegan

lpagross wrote: »

Hi there, I went to Bensons yesterday and liked the Sealy International range, especially the Sydney. I can't find an online retailer for this range. Does anyone know what equivalent range Sealy make that's available from other retailers? I can't afford the +£1k that Bensons are charging for the mattress. Surely Sealy make the same type of mattress for general sale and I might be able to find a bargain online? Thanks for any help or suggestions.
G

I'd stay well away from Sealy if I were you. They are part of the Silentnight group. Do a search in the MSE forums for them and you will see what I mean.

If I were you I would stay away from big brand names and big chain stores if you want good quality at a low price, and shop on line from a seller who has a good returns policy that allows you to actually unpack and sleep on the mattress. This way it is in their interest to make sure that you make the right choice the first time.