Cat getting neutered

breezerockz

wonderful, so its a little it of a mistake.oooh.
i wander why its a big deal

tinkerbell84

notlongnow wrote: »

I never even noticed..LOL

maybe it's stripy

or sparkly

or got a metallic top coat!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl:

breezerockz

tinkerbell84 wrote: »

maybe it's stripy

or sparkly

or got a metallic top coat!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl::T

foreign_correspondent

kitty_and_gucci_2008 wrote: »

Hi All,

This may sound like a really daft question but one of my female cats was recented sprayed. Can this be reversed to allow her to conceive?

Cheers.

what's it been sprayed with???:rotfl:

If you mean spayed, then no, of course it can't, and yes it is a daft question, and if you understand so little about the basic biology of this then my advice is do not breed cats - at all, ever.

Its a risky business, no insurance will cover breeding related conditions, emergency c-sections etc etc, so you could end up with huge vet bills or a dead cat. However, all this is academic as you say this cat is spayed, but i see you do have others, so it may be worth stating!

simontheiceman

What this question actually reminds me, is that we should be absolutely explicit about what we are about to do to a pet.

This client has obviously not taken on board a very vital point about the neutering operation being unaware that the whole of the uterus and ovaries would be removed. I think this reflects quite poorly on the surgeons involved for not being clear enough in this respect.

It is also interesting that the word "sprayed" has been used. I have heard this and variants numerous times and I think it is a fault of vets trying too hard to reduce complex surgical terms to an "easy to use" phrase or word. This diminishes the respect for the work that is actually being done.

However if I were to use the word ovariohysterectomy all the time, a number of my clients would not have a clue as to what is going to happen. Good communication is vital to helping clients understand for what they are actually signing the consent form.

Another confusion arises, due to tubal ligation in humans, where an attempt on reversal can be made (not always successful).

MrsTinks

I agree and disagree Simon - as a pet owner I ask questions of my vet(s) if I have any doubts - possibly at times to their annoyance but I WANT to know what is happening to my pets. OK I grew up on a farm so castration and spaying was a fact of life and when you've seen a 2yr old stallion be turned into a gelding before you're 10 then you realise things aren't always reversible once you ask what them things they removed were
I've been in the surgery during emergency CS's where an emergency spay was involved too (have a friend who's a vet and we thought we were going in for a couple of kittens so she and the vet nurse were going to look after the mum and the nurses boyfriend and I were stood ready for the kittens... alas both had long died and turned septic... hence the spay).
Maybe some onus should be on the Vet to try and explain the procedure to owners, but on the other hand some should certainly be on the owner for not asking what is involved in the procedure if they don't know. In this day and age I'd expect most people having some idea of what is involved in a spay or neutering - maybe that's naive of me though?

simontheiceman

MrsTine wrote: »

. In this day and age I'd expect most people having some idea of what is involved in a spay or neutering - maybe that's naive of me though?

I'd love to be confident that they would all understand but I'm not sure they do. Like I say, this thread reminds me that the understanding can be all too superficial. I'll put my full hand on the table and let you in to a little bit of knowledge:

I spayed a cat with a womb infection a few years ago and, despite having told the owner what we were doing, they did not understand. When they discovered that the cat was unable to breed anymore they refused to pay the bill. We chased them for the outstanding amount and in the end we were taken to court over this issue. In the end it was all found in my favour as the spay was the most suitable course of treatment in this particular case. The total cost was over £10,000 to my side and involved a lot of experts / legal expense.

Since this time I have been a bit touchy about poor explanantions / consent issues. If I come across as being a bit over-defensive, you might have a little understanding as to why I might be that way .

Blackpool_Saver

breezerockz wrote: »

wonderful, so its a little it of a mistake.oooh.
i wander why its a big deal

It wasn't I was just having a laugh with you, sorry you took it the wrong way....

UKTigerlily

Whenever mine have been spayed they've not even said a word about what it involves! lol just bring her in at x time, don't feed after x time & we'll call you when she's ready! Friend has just had her two girls done & she said they came home with collars on which she didn't expect, mine never did.
I agree in some cases vets should explain better but i'd expect them to know what they're booking their cat in for too! But then I spose if all you've heard is you need to neuter her but no reasons why who knows

I'm shocked at the people in Simons above post! Surely they want what's best for their cat even if maybe they didn't quite understand? I'd tell the vet to do whatever was needed.

MrsTinks

Not at all Simon! I was stood in the surgery with the queen on the table and my friend the vet on the phone to the owner (a professional breeder - not something neither I nor my friend were in favour of anyway... if I say serial breeder you'll know what I mean Any breed, all good pedigree but no human interaction...) and despite them obviously having some knowledge she went through it step by step to make sure there was no misunderstanding that the cat would only be good as a pet from now on! I must have looked a bit confounded - thinking a professional breeder should know this... - but as she said: "it's a valuable animal and to him just an investment - he has to understand he's not going to be able to breed from her again or he's likely to sue us...".
I'm sure if the cat you were operating on has an infected womb - like the one she was working on - then the only option was a full emergency hysterectomy. The stench is unreal and I was amazed she'd managed to deliver one live kitten at all... Anyone questioning that kind of action should have to stand next to an operation on an animal with an infected womb... then they would know why it was the only option! It's not like you can just flush it out! You have to contain it and remove it lest it gets into the abdominal cavity and cause even worse problems!

Sorry not trying to preach to the preacher here - just amazes me that people would be that ignorant! A vet won't yank bits out just because it's the easiest fix - they do it because it's the BEST fix (or the only one!)...

If anything I'm ranting WITH you