Should I pay..Civil Enforcement Ltd?

bearpeje

I too was a victim of this bunch at the IOW cinema car park site. I have read the many threads here and elsewhere (sadly, only after I had written off to object to my original notice), and had decided not to pay.

However, today on IW County Press site is Trading Standards claim that the charge is lawful


Must admit it has made my stand against the mob a bit wobbly !

Any views please

fb1969

I guess this is the article www.iwcp.co.uk/news/news/150-parking-fines-are-lawful-32115.aspx

This again proves the point of a lot of posters that Trading Standards do not know what they are talking about. Perhaps it is worth contacting the IoW office and asking them the basis on which they have decided the charges are lawful.

Maybe the IoW office should contact their colleagues in Lancashire who do appear to have any idea of the legal status of these charges (I make no apologies for posting this link again) www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/cgi-bin/lancashire/con1item.cgi?file=ADV0004.txt

pineapple123

Hi, just an update.
Early last week daughter recieved next reminder to pay £150 from IOW car park and threatening CCJ if not paid up in 7 days.

I admit when daughter got original letter I was abit nervy but now after all the support on this forum and reading others Im not bothered and was waiting for this next letter to arrive. I trust the advice of others who have encountered this so called company.
The law is an A** cos they allow these cowboys to operate and obtain details from DVLA so I suppose its not illegal for them to try and extract these parking fines from the public.
I for one do not agree with this underhand 'parking fine' so neither myself or my daughter will ever pay it as a matter of principle.

sarahg1969

fb1969 wrote: »

www.iwcp.co.uk/news/news/150-parking-fines-are-lawful-32115.aspx

It's April 1st - that's got to be a joke!

Coblcris

sarahg1969 wrote: »

It's April 1st - that's got to be a joke!

I fear it is not an intentional joke.

It still is a joke of course.

Coupon-mad

bearpeje wrote: »

I too was a victim of this bunch at the IOW cinema car park site. I have read the many threads here and elsewhere (sadly, only after I had written off to object to my original notice), and had decided not to pay.

However, today on IW County Press site is Trading Standards claim that the charge is lawful

Must admit it has made my stand against the mob a bit wobbly !

Any views please

Well, Trading Standards IOW really do need educating so please do go in and complain, or write a letter or email specifically to their Trading Standards Manager Richard Stone - complaining about HIS specific advice being misleading and wrong. Give him the Lancashire link and maybe even a link to this thread, as at IOW TS they really need to wake up and smell the coffee about this scam.

And also write to the local paper and point out that private parking charge notices are not fines nor penalties, just invoices/demands which can be safely ignored. These tickets are not enforceable as they have to show a contract between the DRIVER and the landowner (not the registered keeper and the PPC). Otherwise, outside of contract law, they can only rely on the tort of trespass which means you owe them zero anyway, and would only owe the landowner if any damage had been caused. Give the newspaper that link to the Lancashire TS advice and tell them IOW TS are wrong - should be fun if the paper looks into this!

Also show TS and the local paper this pepipoo.com forum link, showing what Parliament think about PPCs (see the comments by MP Tony Baldrey about just tearing up such a ticket and BPA drone Patrick Troy's useless responses to everything, it makes for a great read):

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=48644

In summary, you do not have to pay private parking charges, simple as.

I guess I would agree to a limited extent in that parking charge notices - if worded correctly and not passing themselves of as a real PCN or doing anything else considered fraudulent - are not 'unlawful'. Only insofar as it's not illegal for them to actually slap such a piece of rubbish on your car, but so what, that achieves nothing if you then ignore it.

Just as it wouldn't be illegal for me to say 'OK now pay me £50 because it's my birthday today (true, not an April Fool!) and here I am on the parking board again, so I am going to charge for each reply today!':)

But 'not being unlawful' doesn't make such charges ENFORCEABLE in law - subtle difference.

And it isn't unlawful for you to ignore an invoice for money that you don't owe.

fb1969

I did wonder if one of the more "legally knowledgable" here or on pepipoo could contact him to specifically ask why he had reached the conclusion he has!

For the record I am still waiting for ParkingEric to pay me the £10 I charged him for reading my post on another thread. I am sure IoW Trading Standard will back me up on it.

Coupon-mad

fb1969 wrote: »

I did wonder if one of the more "legally knowledgable" here or on pepipoo could contact him to specifically ask why he had reached the conclusion he has!

For the record I am still waiting for ParkingEric to pay me the £10 I charged him for reading my post on another thread. I am sure IoW Trading Standard will back me up on it.

:T:rotfl:

Sorry I would have considered sending an email or letter to the chap at the IOW TS but it's my birthday today, then Easter with the 4 kids at home, then we go on our holidays for the rest of the school break!

But maybe a few others could email him with the benefit of our knowledge, plus appropriate links?! Could be interesting and nice of us to educate a TS area who are currently getting this advice wrong.

bearpeje

bearpeje wrote: »

I too was a victim of this bunch at the IOW cinema car park site. I have read the many threads here and elsewhere (sadly, only after I had written off to object to my original notice), and had decided not to pay.

However, today on IW County Press site is Trading Standards claim that the charge is lawful


Must admit it has made my stand against the mob a bit wobbly !

Any views please

Thanks guys, am no longer wobbly and am definitely not paying these parasites.
Will send Lancs TS link to C Press
Cheers

peter_the_piper

kwaks wrote: »

:rotfl:I expect more from you:mad:


Parking Eric (or P.ERky) really must be hurting in his extortion racket, what with having the time to post crap on here!!

Having seen pics, surely it Porking Eric. As in pies.